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Old 11-26-2006, 06:50 PM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #1
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Alright, so from my previous there here , I altered my tactic based on the advice given and played roughly about 15 EPL games to properly observe my players..and here's my observation on the defense side :

1. Most of the goals conceded are mainly in final 20-30 minutes in the game, and most of the goals I score are mainly in the first half. I often experience scenarios where my team does absolutely mindblowingly good in the first half, but get barrages of attacks by the opposition in the second half. Is there a method to remedy this? Something in the half-time talk perhaps?

2. Most of the goals leaked by my side is due to my center-backs losing their man while marking them..and during this process, the opposition's striker moves slightly back behind my center-backs to receive the cross and head it in. Are there any player instructions I could alter to remedy this issue? OR is it due to the lack of pace by my defenders?

3. Another main source of goals scored against me are through corner set pieces..most of the time my defenders losing in headers to the opposition. Any way to stop this from happening? Could putting more men into the box help?'

4. Slightly off topic from defensive side..is using Dagoberto as a Target Man actually a good idea? The aim here is for Dagoberto to look for good passes to the AMC to finish it off..but it'd be nice if he could do it as well if the conditions are right.

The formation, tactic and player stat :

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Team Instructions Center-back Instructions Full Back Instructions
Goalkeeper Instructions Defensive Midfielder Instructions Midfielder Instructions Wingers' Instructions Attacking Midfielder Instructions Target Man Instructions Dagoberto's Stats
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Old 11-26-2006, 07:06 PM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #2
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I'd be elated if I could get an opinion from either Cleon or Rashidi seeing that they seem to be very prominent in this field :thup:

And to anyone else willing to comment, cheers to all of you too
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:57 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #3
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No one?
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:15 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #4
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first thing is to change ure target man to run on to ball, use what u have to ure advantage. think about it . what are dags best stats. its not his strength so to feet is prob not best imo. ive had dags for a while and his best is his pace and dribbiling and skill so i put him as run onto ball and maybe man mark defender who is not supposed to be marking him, this way he takes out a man marker and the def he is marking.
next i never put my central defense as closing down so much, i put my cd as rarely to mixed. look at rashidis tactic for a good basic defense tactic.ure central defense is very slow. so the problems u said is expected based upon ure defense speed and ure cd closing down, look at the stickies on top of the forum to see how to set them up. personally i put my defensive line at deep/ normal . not normal/ push up, this will help with ure slow defenders and conceding goals via ure cd.

i havent figured out set pieces just yet. but minimal fuss v3 seems to have a good setup for this, its not perfect but its much better than the default version, the same goals where no def seems to pick up the scorers run or free header.

with the conceding goals in first haldf. only real change is to change tempo to slow is first half then change to quick. i use this with a better success than quick to slow. this will give opp less chance to counter attack and hopefully avoid quick goals. tempo is something i awlays tinker with, from slow to quick . 1 will always work better than the other, so find it in the match, also bring ure def line down and width lower if u want to be more def sound and wider and push up if u want to be more attacking
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:07 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #5
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For set pieces, if you go to your tactics screen there should be a view button above your players. Click on this and scroll down to what ever set pieces you want to arrange and set the whole team like this! its easier to do this way!

I'd suggest for defending corners and set pieces that you set as many players as you can to man mark that arent already doing so!
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:13 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #6
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Alright guys, will get right to tweaking those. Thanks!

Any more comments?

Oh and yeah, I've set Target Man supply to feet but probably need to raise the run on to ball a bit more.

And now that I think about it, closing down that much on DC is pretty stupid in this case :o
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:46 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #7
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No forward arrows for your wingers?

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Old 11-27-2006, 07:04 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #8
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Alright, so from my previous there here , I altered my tactic based on the advice given and played roughly about 15 EPL games to properly observe my players..and here's my observation on the defense side :

1. Most of the goals conceded are mainly in final 20-30 minutes in the game, and most of the goals I score are mainly in the first half. I often experience scenarios where my team does absolutely mindblowingly good in the first half, but get barrages of attacks by the opposition in the second half. Is there a method to remedy this? Something in the half-time talk perhaps?

Personally I don't depend on halftime teamtalks too much, I usually leave my assman to do the job. And he does well enough. If you find yourself conceding goals in the second half, it could be due to your player conditioning worsening. Have you tried to keep fresh legs on the bench to vary the kind of attacks.

2. Most of the goals leaked by my side is due to my center-backs losing their man while marking them..and during this process, the opposition's striker moves slightly back behind my center-backs to receive the cross and head it in. Are there any player instructions I could alter to remedy this issue? OR is it due to the lack of pace by my defenders?

Are your DCs man marking? I'm not too sure about this myself as I don't like to use manmarking too much. If they are closing down to highly then that could be your problem. I think that the best CD level for a DC is 6 if the Defensive Line is around 10. At the moment you have 2 MCs one plays a DM role..I would set the MC on a much higher closing down than the barrowed MC. Balance your closing down, it appears that it isn't set up right at the moment. The 2 DMs are supposed to do the majority of work. The DCs are supposed to do interceptions,ie headers that come their way from long punts


3. Another main source of goals scored against me are through corner set pieces..most of the time my defenders losing in headers to the opposition. Any way to stop this from happening? Could putting more men into the box help?'

Your defensive routine could be set up wrong, check your routine carefully, make sure the best jumpers are set to man mark the best jumpers in the opposing team. Your corner routine shouldn't be too complicated. Another thing I encourage you to do is to close down the corner.


4. Slightly off topic from defensive side..is using Dagoberto as a Target Man actually a good idea? The aim here is for Dagoberto to look for good passes to the AMC to finish it off..but it'd be nice if he could do it as well if the conditions are right.

There is a good thread on how to use targetmen, without knowing his attributes I'd be wrong to offer advice, but go into the thread I just mentioned and you could pick some ideas up. I know I have.


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Old 11-27-2006, 08:15 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #9
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Your defensive routine could be set up wrong, check your routine carefully, make sure the best jumpers are set to man mark the best jumpers in the opposing team. Your corner routine shouldn't be too complicated. Another thing I encourage you to do is to close down the corner.

Sorry in this setup, do you recommend I put a player on the Far Post and Near Post as well? And also, should I keep my AMC and FC stay forward during defending corners? Plus, who's best at closing down corners? And to be honest, what's close down corners lol.

Thanks tons man, I'll check out the thread you recommended.
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Old 11-27-2006, 08:37 AM   4-2-3-1 : Remedy for Defense? Post #10
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For corners, you have to set up a man on far and near post. You could keep your AMC on stay forward...personally I like to have him close down the corner...cos if he does get the ball he should have the intelligence to do something positive with it.

Closing down corners is when a player from the defending team stands a couple of yards in front of the corner kick taker.
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