[retired_volleyball-93]

this had proven enormously succesfull for me in the past but I'd forgotten it, can't help myself now, I want to go home and try variations on my Olympiakos side

[alien55]

Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>I think about decreasing the mentality of the DMCs, putting the DC to SW with a farrow, and giving him higher mentality, through balls and CF; lower closing down and tackling. a sweeper a la the Kaiser that makes the play from the back and makes that crucial interceptions but not tackles so hard. I mean one with high anticipation, decision etc. do you think that would work?

Why decrese the mentailty of my DMC? This will create a hugh gap in midfield and allow the team more possession.
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That is correct. What i was worried about was leaving a big gap/soft spot in the middle of defence because the sweeper will be more like a cultured one instead of a fierce one. But keeping the d-line a bit deeper can solve it better maybe.

[retired_erica]

@ Cleon - I tried setting up a formation to mirror yours but I seem to have ran into a few problems.

First one, which bothered me the most was the 2 DMC's sort of gliding back to join with the defenders. So everytime the opposition began their attack by either stealing the ball from one of my forwards/mid or their keeper hoofing the ball upfield, the DMC's would automatically follow their arrows and make a 5 defender back line. Now I'm not sure if that's what you intended to do or not but this created a lot of space in the middle of the field. Forcing the 2 AMC's to backtrack and close down on the opposition, often times finding themselves right atop my box. So most of the time I found either Cardenas or Scholes sitting right atop my box and hoofing the ball upfield whenever they got a chance. Leaving only 3 players up in attack, instead of 5. I tried to tinker with their CD, having one of the DMC's have a CD of 13 and the other of 12, hoping that they would go up and close down on the opposition instead of drifting back and sitting inside the box. That didn't seem to work either. Then I tried to push up the defensive line in hope they'd stay upfield instead of tracking back. But then I encountered my second problem. The DC began to come out of position more often, even to a point where I saw him standing right outside the box of my opponent on one of the attacks. Which made me give him a barrow into the SW spot. This seemed to work and I noticed that he's staying put more often than not behind the DR/DL.

I don't know if I should revert back to the original CD for the DMCs since the DC will be there for the last ditch effort or is anything I'm saying actually making sense?

[retired_Markpdoody]

Closing down on DC's are 0? I have hands on experiecing tweaking DC closing down and high closing down seems more effective after several trials.

:cool:

[retired_elpata]

First one, which bothered me the most was the 2 DMC's sort of gliding back to join with the defenders. So everytime the opposition began their attack by either stealing the ball from one of my forwards/mid or their keeper hoofing the ball upfield, the DMC's would automatically follow their arrows and make a 5 defender back line. Now I'm not sure if that's what you intended to do or not but this created a lot of space in the middle of the field.

Yes its intended to work like this. And its really important the AMC's track back too, thats why they have barrows. If they don't track back then there will be no midfield battle. The tactic is intended to defend as a team and attack as a team.

So most of the time I found either Cardenas or Scholes sitting right atop my box and hoofing the ball upfield whenever they got a chance. Leaving only 3 players up in attack, instead of 5.

Hmm im not having that problem, I find if my AMC's do come back that far, when they get the ball they then break quickly by passing the ball around. I don't see them hoof it much upfield.

I don't know if I should revert back to the original CD for the DMCs since the DC will be there for the last ditch effort or is anything I'm saying actually making sense?

Hmm, have a tinker about and see which works best for you.

Ive not had much time to play last few days and doubt I will til Sunday. So I cannot say what chanages I have made yet or changes that I think need made. As soon as I play I will report though.

[retired_rullmar]

you can give me link for tactics at forum. thanks

[retired_sjflowers]

Cleon I'll try it out and if possible tweak a little bit.
I'll post my results later

[retired_WorkoutPartners]

still no updates yet??

[retired_lachina]

Hello Cleon, u mentioned that when the team gets the ball they then break quickly by passing the ball around. Correct me if I'm wrong cos I'm no tactical genius, but the tempo is set at 8.
While the creative freedom is set at 7 and the passing 7.

I always had this thinking that with short passing, slow tempo and low CF, teams tend to pass the ball around more with the intention of keeping possession. Only when they see a "break" in the defence then they will release the ball.

If the players are supposed to break quickly, shouldnt they play with a higher tempo?

[retired_elpata]

Originally posted by kslee5:
still no updates yet??

I'm not at home, I have no FM with me atm

Hello Cleon, u mentioned that when the team gets the ball they then break quickly by passing the ball around. Correct me if I'm wrong cos I'm no tactical genius, but the tempo is set at 8.
While the creative freedom is set at 7 and the passing 7.

Remember thats just the team instructions that give me a base. The indivudual instructions are what makes it react different. The team ones are for a base.

I always had this thinking that with short passing, slow tempo and low CF, teams tend to pass the ball around more with the intention of keeping possession. Only when they see a "break" in the defence then they will release the ball.

Thats true, although playing too slow can mean you don't keep possession as people can dwell on the ball and spend too much time with it.

If the players are supposed to break quickly, shouldnt they play with a higher tempo?

You can break quick without playing a fast tempo game. The player instructions and the players personalities and stats can achieve this while playing a slow game. It might sound stupid, but it can work.

Take Arsenal IRL for example, they pass the ball around and play pretty slow looking for an opening. They don't always rush attacks, yet at times they break away very fast and play very counter attacking football. All while playing a possession keeping game.

Make sense? I can't word it as good as I want