[retired_andreeadela]

Just thought i'd update you Cleon on how i was going on with your method. I was having such an incosistent season with Sheffield United (Quite abit strengthened from original squad) winning then losing then drawing which got so frustrating. With my side plummeting down the table i decided to give your formation a go, since using it i have played 16 games losing just 2 (to Aresnal and Chelsea away both just 1-0) winning 9 and also kept 9 clean sheets. It's such a vast improvement and as you say with slight tweaks it could turn out to be a great tactic.

[retired_catg]

i have a small issue with the everything is as in default 4-4-2 surely the success will depend on which players you moved from the standard 4-4-2 to the positions in your tactic ie if you put your left winger to the dmc position surely this wont work becasue a defender has to move and all the midfielders

[retired_elpata]

Originally posted by depressedtyke:
i have a small issue with the everything is as in default 4-4-2 surely the success will depend on which players you moved from the standard 4-4-2 to the positions in your tactic ie if you put your left winger to the dmc position surely this wont work becasue a defender has to move and all the midfielders

Not really, all the instructions are same on the default regardless of position iirc.

Just thought i'd update you Cleon on how i was going on with your method. I was having such an incosistent season with Sheffield United (Quite abit strengthened from original squad) winning then losing then drawing which got so frustrating. With my side plummeting down the table i decided to give your formation a go, since using it i have played 16 games losing just 2 (to Aresnal and Chelsea away both just 1-0) winning 9 and also kept 9 clean sheets. It's such a vast improvement and as you say with slight tweaks it could turn out to be a great tactic.

Ohh nice, keep me updated

[retired_kassea01]

Hello Cleon
Im testing out your tactic right now and im getting some pretty good results with some LOW TEAM(its one of the worst teams in the league)
Il keep you posted after 10-15games

p.s. can you upload your tactic here cause i wanna make sure im using the correct settings.
Also will you make set-pices better(if you can figure them out)

[retired_kellyk]

I've had a chance to look at the pkms for this tactic. It has a lot of potential to be a really good tactic. It defends with 5 and attacks with 5. It has good width and the ability to punch through the centre.

Depending on how anyone wants to play it, the basic shape gives you plenty of options on what kind of passing game you want to achieve.

I've also returned to my 3 man defense and had positive results, its more rewarding than a 442 Diamond or a 4132. I think the best attacking formations for FM2007 will feature 3 man defenses, at least until the patch comes out. And when it does I think all formations will suddenly become more attacking

[alien55]

I think about decreasing the mentality of the DMCs, putting the DC to SW with a farrow, and giving him higher mentality, through balls and CF; lower closing down and tackling. a sweeper a la the Kaiser that makes the play from the back and makes that crucial interceptions but not tackles so hard. I mean one with high anticipation, decision etc. do you think that would work?

[patreek]

I am doing Dafuge's challenge and have been sacked twice now so starting again. I am going to use this tactical thread for my new game if you don't mind Cleon. I work crappy hours so can only play till mid-day and then after 9pm so my contributions maybe slow! Will update shortly.

[retired_kassea01]

Ok here are the results.

Well the tactic itself i beleive has ALOT OF POTENTIAL(i think your onto something here) however it needs some tweaking.(especially offense)
I picked an avarage team in SERBIAN SUPER LEAGUE(Zemun) and at the begining of the season got 3-winning matches against better teams than mine.
However then i started to loose and draw against teams that are same class as me or worse than me (lost 2 and draw 3).
And then after that it got good again and i won couple more matches.
However it worries me that my team is not creating alot of chances/shots on the opposing team(i was expecting more considering you got 3-strikers) and it seems that i only score on counter-attack when a defence makes a mistake, hardly from a build up play or just any play period.
I avaraged about 7-17-shots per game.(depending what team i played)
Again it has alot of potencial since im not getting blown away by ALOT BETTER TEAMS than mine like i did before.
Before using this tactic i was loosing 5-0 or 6-0 to 2-biggest clubs in the league(Partizan and Red Star) and after applaying your tactic i lost against Partizan-away 3-2 and against Red Star i drew home 0-0, but they did have alot more chances than i did and had the ball in their feet more than my team,but i have to add that it was a close game.
I noticed when playing against theese 2-big teams i cant get into any kind of build-up play cause i loose the ball in the midfield relatively easy and my players cant find any openings.

p.s. dont test any tactic on "friendly" games since for some reason most comp teams play like crap and its really easy to win.
will you be able to make this more offensive like your last tactics from fm-2006??? (i used to avarage around 25-35 shots per game back then)

[retired_kellyk]

I think that a few more shape changes are needed. Let me try and combine the settings for Scram with this. We could end up with a hybrid

[retired_elpata]

Originally posted by sanjin84:
Hello Cleon
Im testing out your tactic right now and im getting some pretty good results with some LOW TEAM(its one of the worst teams in the league)
Il keep you posted after 10-15games

p.s. can you upload your tactic here cause i wanna make sure im using the correct settings.
Also will you make set-pices better(if you can figure them out)

Sorry but I wont be uploading it at all

I've had a chance to look at the pkms for this tactic. It has a lot of potential to be a really good tactic. It defends with 5 and attacks with 5. It has good width and the ability to punch through the centre.

I noticed it plays really wide at times, even though im set to really narrow. I think its the Barrows on the strikers why it plays out like that. But I love having a balance of 5 attack 5 defence, its much more solid.

Depending on how anyone wants to play it, the basic shape gives you plenty of options on what kind of passing game you want to achieve.

Indeed, the way I set it up allows it to be very flexible.

I've also returned to my 3 man defense and had positive results, its more rewarding than a 442 Diamond or a 4132. I think the best attacking formations for FM2007 will feature 3 man defenses, at least until the patch comes out. And when it does I think all formations will suddenly become more attacking

I think 3 at the back allows you more freedom and more variety, than using a conventional back 4.

I think about decreasing the mentality of the DMCs, putting the DC to SW with a farrow, and giving him higher mentality, through balls and CF; lower closing down and tackling. a sweeper a la the Kaiser that makes the play from the back and makes that crucial interceptions but not tackles so hard. I mean one with high anticipation, decision etc. do you think that would work?

Why decrese the mentailty of my DMC? This will create a hugh gap in midfield and allow the team more possession.

Well the tactic itself i beleive has ALOT OF POTENTIAL(i think your onto something here) however it needs some tweaking.(especially offense)

Obviously it needs tweaking for your side, but for mine the attacking side of it is perfect for me.

However it worries me that my team is not creating alot of chances/shots on the opposing team(i was expecting more considering you got 3-strikers) and it seems that i only score on counter-attack when a defence makes a mistake, hardly from a build up play or just any play period.

Im averaging 20 shots a game, even against the big guns.

p.s. dont test any tactic on "friendly" games since for some reason most comp teams play like crap and its really easy to win.
will you be able to make this more offensive like your last tactics from fm-2006??? (i used to avarage around 25-35 shots per game back then)

Yeah if you read my first post I already stated the results from friendlies mean nothing. However you can take a lot of things from friendlies. But im still enjoying the same success in league games atm, i will update later tonight.

I think that a few more shape changes are needed. Let me try and combine the settings for Scram with this. We could end up with a hybrid

Intersting to see what you suggest.