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Old 12-06-2006, 11:20 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #11
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Originally posted by Ans Gulrik:
I would defininetivly challenge the gurus on this subject. I change my focus passing depending on oppositions formation. And find it extremly efficient.

For example counter attack down both flanks as an answer to the AI's 4-2-4, force the AI to drop the 4-2-4 almost immediately.

Neither do I agree that flank passing require width. Perhaps if you experiement with one style over many games, it will show. But vs. AI formations that do not include M R/L, your own (A)M R/L still have plenty of space and you often get either one on ones vs. the AI full backs or even two on one, if your striker helps out.

These comments are not meant for the building of a core tactic. But IMO focus passing is a very easy tool to use during matches. You don't need to tweak a lot. You just change one thing and force the AI to adopt.
Do you find you make the AI change its tactics to suit you often? As I'm really dominant and the league champions 4 times in a row, yet I still struggle to force the AI to play the game I want. I still find they dictate the style of the game regardless of what I try
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:23 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #12
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You still using BluntBlade Cleon? Or have you started using another tactic now?
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:26 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #13
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Originally posted by Noel Gallagher:
You still using BluntBlade Cleon? Or have you started using another tactic now?
Change it every season to make it more of a challenge Even though I've won league 4 times in a row, my squad is still really weak compared to others in the league. I just don;t generate enough money to bring in more than 1 quality player a year.
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:28 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #14
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Did you ever develop that 2-3-5 ?
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:30 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #15
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Did you ever develop that 2-3-5 ?
Thats next season hopefully, I should probably have a decent squad for that then.
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:46 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #16
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So Cleon just to clarify with the target man query. On the occasions I have t use the faster striker do you think it is best to focuss passing to his feet or for him to run onto it?
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Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Ans Gulrik:
I would defininetivly challenge the gurus on this subject. I change my focus passing depending on oppositions formation. And find it extremly efficient.

For example counter attack down both flanks as an answer to the AI's 4-2-4, force the AI to drop the 4-2-4 almost immediately.

Neither do I agree that flank passing require width. Perhaps if you experiement with one style over many games, it will show. But vs. AI formations that do not include M R/L, your own (A)M R/L still have plenty of space and you often get either one on ones vs. the AI full backs or even two on one, if your striker helps out.

These comments are not meant for the building of a core tactic. But IMO focus passing is a very easy tool to use during matches. You don't need to tweak a lot. You just change one thing and force the AI to adopt.
Do you find you make the AI change its tactics to suit you often? As I'm really dominant and the league champions 4 times in a row, yet I still struggle to force the AI to play the game I want. I still find they dictate the style of the game regardless of what I try </BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure do. It is one of my greatest pleasures to create a solution for every move the AI make. Changing focus is the first tool out of the box.

I do not like to change formation, cause that is usually a bit of a hazzle. So focus passing is my main tool. But you obviously need a relative balanced core formation in order to make it work (if your only wide based players are fullbacks it ain't worth ever to play down flanks).

I currently play a sort of 4-2-2-2, with two DM's and 2 wingers. It's my second game with this formation, after two double winning seasons with Wigan I'm trying to replicate Sir Bobby Robson with the tractor boys.

My only problem is when the AI revert to a 4-1-4-1. That is my headache. I don't lose, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer from which I can score consistently from open play
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Old 12-06-2006, 11:55 PM   Focussing passing analysis Post #18
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So Cleon just to clarify with the target man query. On the occasions I have t use the faster striker do you think it is best to focuss passing to his feet or for him to run onto it?
Either really, Rooney is good enough for both, so it shouldn't make much difference.

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I sure do. It is one of my greatest pleasures to create a solution for every move the AI make. Changing focus is the first tool out of the box.
Ahh sorry, I thought above you meant you forced them to adapt to your style of play. I didn't realsie you change to counter them.

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My only problem is when the AI revert to a 4-1-4-1. That is my headache. I don't lose, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer from which I can score consistently from open play
Do they win the midfield battle, is this where the problem lies?
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:15 AM   Focussing passing analysis Post #19
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Ans Gulrik:
I sure do. It is one of my greatest pleasures to create a solution for every move the AI make. Changing focus is the first tool out of the box.
Ahh sorry, I thought above you meant you forced them to adapt to your style of play. I didn't realsie you change to counter them.

Yep, I change to counter. The AI change to recounter. As long as this process does not end in 4-1-4-1 I'm fine.

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My only problem is when the AI revert to a 4-1-4-1. That is my headache. I don't lose, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer from which I can score consistently from open play
Do they win the midfield battle, is this where the problem lies? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really. Well the AI get the occasional foot on the ball and clear. Then I have to begin the build up again. But that is not the problem. The problem is:

When I use the flanks there is no space for my wingers. The few times they beat the FB the box is crowded and my strikers are under too much pressure.

When I play direct through middle to my TM, his flick on's are usually picked up by the FBs and cleared.

Advice would really be appreciated, cause I think the AI is building a dosier on my tactic with massive statistic proof that 4-1-4-1 will keep it from conceeding.
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Originally posted by Ans Gulrik:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:

<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Ans Gulrik:
I sure do. It is one of my greatest pleasures to create a solution for every move the AI make. Changing focus is the first tool out of the box.
Ahh sorry, I thought above you meant you forced them to adapt to your style of play. I didn't realsie you change to counter them.

Yep, I change to counter. The AI change to recounter. As long as this process does not end in 4-1-4-1 I'm fine.

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Originally posted by Ans Gulrik
My only problem is when the AI revert to a 4-1-4-1. That is my headache. I don't lose, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer from which I can score consistently from open play
Do they win the midfield battle, is this where the problem lies? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Not really. Well the AI get the occasional foot on the ball and clear. Then I have to begin the build up again. But that is not the problem. The problem is:

When I use the flanks there is no space for my wingers. The few times they beat the FB the box is crowded and my strikers are under too much pressure.

When I play direct through middle to my TM, his flick on's are usually picked up by the FBs and cleared.

Advice would really be appreciated, cause I think the AI is building a dosier on my tactic with massive statistic proof that 4-1-4-1 will keep it from conceeding. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You tried playing really wide to create space in the box? as you will force the fullbacks to go wide and mark you, if they don;t then you get a free cross in.

For the targetman I have mine on a normal 11 mentality and have him hold up the ball, and give him short passing, he then normally knocks it into the patch of my other striker running onto the ball. I score loads of goals like this, atleast 1 every other match
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