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Old 02-06-2008, 04:03 PM   How fast do high pa players develop? Post #1
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Say you sign a player of ca 100 and pa 175, and have everything in place: facilities, coaches and a perfectly balanced training schedule - how much will his ca go up in a year?

I have used MiniScout and noticed 5-6 or so points of improvement, which means it will take many years for a ca 100 player to become really good.

To develop faster - what would you say is the most critical success factor - coaches, facilities, morale, schedules, other?

I'm using the official 8.0.1 patch.
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There's alot of speculation about how effective training is. Some argue that players dont develop as well as they should, and there's some evidence that future generations of players will generally take alot longer to develop than their predecessors.

There were two very good threads on this where people did long and detailed AI experiments and concluded that player development was too slow, and that player stats (particularly physical stats) weren't improving fast enough. Unfortunately I can't find them to link ;/ perhaps someone else can.

That said, I find there are two things that help players develop faster. One is senior match practice, the other is linking young players to experienced professionals. This of course is in addition to having good coaches, facilities and training schedules (although these arguably make little difference).

Another thing that I like to do is, on the home page (F2), set one of the windows to training performances. This shows the ~10 players that are training the best (ie improving the quickest) and as far as I know you can't see this info anywhere else. What you'll find is that after giving a young player a run in the first team or linking him with a suitable peer, you'll see that player high on that list.
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Oh, I should also mention that in one of those threads I mentioned a mod agreed that youth development was a bit too slow and improvements would be made in the next patch.
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1. Ability is the most important feature influencing the growth of the player's skills.
2. Current ability +12 = all skills +1
3. Growth of ability depends on the player's age and more of the difference between CA and PA, but not depends on the training shedules.
4. Only if workload in training category is <6, then you can see that skills can fall.
5. The overall training's workload responsible for the growth of the CA.
6. The lowest skills increase slightly quicker.
7. When your team have poor training conditions or when you send player on loan, skills fall.
8. Growth of player skills is not dependent on the skills of coaches.

light loading - +12 ability in season
medium loading - +15 ability in season
the last medium position - +17 ability

Credit to shevelevee from fm-britain.co.uk.
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Thanks guys. Very helpful.
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So what would be better for player development, playing in the reserves or u18's with 7 star coaches and medium loading or sending them out on loan where they are guaranteed first team football?
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Regular first team play is the most important factor.

When I played as Man City a while ago I had 'luinha' in my reserves (PA180 and generally considered a bright talent by most players). He wasn't good enough for a regualr first team slot and he never really developed into a very good player, desptie the fact that over 5 season i had top trianing facilities, youth facilits, and perfect coaches and great shedules and tutoring done regually.


I'm currently playing as Norwich, picked up luniha and he slotted straight into the first team, a couple of seasons later he has amazing stats and is one of the best layers in the world....norwich have average facilites/coaches/training.


This suggests to me that without regual first team play, potential stars may never devlop at all.
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This suggests to me that without regula first team play, potential stars may never devlop at all.
Agreed, but there's ambiguity in the word "regular". I don't think you need to give a player 40 games a season to see them develop.

What I've noticed is that giving a player a run of 2-3 games in the first team will greatly boost their training performance for several months.

How regularly you need to play them depends on how ready they are for first team football - a 17 year old fresh from the youth squad may only need 2-3 games per season to see max improvement whereas a 19 year old wonderkid/"touted as the next ..." would require considerably more first team football.

The way I approach it is to keep a close eye on training performances. If a young player stagnates and stops improving that's a good indication that they need a few games in the first team.

If a player requires more first team football than I'm able to offer without comprosing results then I'll send them out on loan for a few months, but only under these circumstances would I consider it. Players tend not to improve much (if at all) while on loan but when they return to your squad you should see an improvement in their training performance, assuming they've been playing in the 1st team.

Don't send players on loan until the season has started because you'll see the most improvement from training during the pre-season.
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