James1226

This is the AI formation I have most problems scoring against in FM07. I dominate, get a lot of set-pieces, but if I fail to score from one of these I can only hope for some luck...

So I thought I would put the question to you. How do you deal with it?

Which formation, to target man or not to target man, wide or narrow, focus passing, DF-Line? What is the can opener?

castle

what a surprise!!!its my favorite formation inFM!!!!
Im not gonna tell you!!!!xaxaxa
Well seriously,it depends from the players you have,their abbilities(speed,passing etc) .
I dont think its to difficult

castle

ok i ll help!!!!
I THINK to get a result (win or draw),you must look not only your team but the opposite players too.They have weakness also.STUDY them and play accordingly.
Of course if you play with Stevenage and you are facing Barcelona.......what tactics should we talk about??

James1226

Am I the only one having trouble breaking down this formation?

I won the double with Wigan first season pretty much with the players they got from the start, so I feel pretty confident in my tactics.

This season obviously teams are more defensive minded playing against me, and it seems the AI has statistics that inclines it to revert to 4-1-4-1 playing against me.

bobirinis66 - I don't think it is a question about players - it is about tactics. And I already use OI.

retired_leesademarco

Which tactic did you win the Double with?? Can you upload your tactic??

James1226

It is not that my tactic(s) (I used two, same formation but one for counter and one for possesion) is a secret weapon or anything, but I belief the match engine is past the point were a tactic could just be used to blast the AI. So I do not belief much in downloading tactics.

I just created a tactic that suited my players, and the way I trained them. I changed things during matches if things wasn't going according to plan, used Opposition instructions a lot. This is IMO by far the best way to play the game. But it means you can't just use a tactic. You have to know how it works, and which tactical tools belong together and which does not.

Otherwise you will get stucked at some point - much like I am now against this dammed 4-1-4-1 formation - I really need advice... The 4-5-1 is not a problem anymore, but against 4-1-4-1 it's really tough.

castle

i ment to know the opposite players( of the team who plays 4-1-4-1.)
I play 4-1-4-1 but i choose leeds.I have problem with wingers ,with counter attack teams but because a havent good players.But yes,i usually get a result,and i lose difficultly.
I would suggest you to play attacking,fast ,width,direct pass or long pass,and man mark my 2CMs

retired_jmliggan

What I did with Nott. Forest (I get this AI formation a lot, especially the last 6 games!)was I changed from my standard 4-4-2 to a varient of Cleon's BluntBlade 4-1-2-2-1 (mine was 4-1-2-1-2) with the following changes:

Tempo - Quick (first notch)
Passing - Direct (first notch)
Width - Narrow (first notch)
Passing focused on both flanks (as opposed to middle of the field)
D-L - Deep (first notch)
Targetman selected, Targetman pass to Head
Targetman Holds Up Ball

I got the first two games wrong, cos I never faced this formation (I conceded two goals in the first 10 minutes).

Once I got the tweaks right, I usually dont concede any goals, and probably get the odd goal or two....

Oh, and you need to counter-attack, and mentality a bit higher...

Once I start to dominate, the AI would change to 4-2-4 ULT-ATT, then I change to RoT tactic Away vs ULT-ATT....

Needless to say, I usually change my formation at least four times to win a match....no wonder the media calls me the Tinkerman

Just need to experiment though cos maybe it's my first season...I dont stick to one formation during a game, it's very risky. Now sitting pretty on top of the league (just!)....

Anyway, I'm interested to know what other FMers would do in this situation...Cleon? Rashidi1? Buxton?

James1226

This AI tactic is still my headache.

Some of Marburyn's advices was what I tried to do myself. I never lose when the AI change to this formation, even though my fullbacks are handed an attacking license.

But when I win, it is still only by the odd goal. What the christmas tree was for FM06, 4-1-4-1 is for FM07.

retired_Orangejulius

Avoid a slow game, this will give the defence time to set, making it difficult to break down. I'd play a wide formation with high closing down, because such a defensive formation focuses on playing slow and time wasting. I think wwfan had some other tips, you should give them a look as well at fmbritain i think.