retired_tchockfan

How many sides in England have more than a handful of non British players? I could be wrong but I suspect it's fewer than half of the Premiership sides, let alone the rest of the leagues. Once you move below the top echelon in any European country most players are from that country.

Why? I would like to see the reason, whatever it is, modelled in the game. Unless my premise is incorrect this would make the game more realistic rather than less so.

retired_cathylynn820

At the highest level though, it seems that a majority of the players are from other nations though, at least in the English Premier league. I belive I read in FourFourTwo that more than 50% of the players in the EPL are of another nationality, however, that doesn't really inflict with SWYCT, as it is generally accepted that at that level you can more or less take what you can get.

KingsbayYHPE

As possibly the principle proponent of the SWYCT guidline, I'd like to remind everyone that I used it from the depths of English LLM with due regard to the financial situation of the Club.

I figured it would be unlikely that a Club deep in the financial mire would send scouts anywhere other than the countries that the game allowed them to tour. This being because it was possible for Leigh to send a scout to South America, very unrealistic and quite contrary to LLaMas' assertions that the game will stop you, saying you haven't enough resources. I've seen this once in God only knows how many LLM games.

Once I have transfer funds of, say, £250k, I'd definitely reconsider the financial binds of scouting and then may allow a Eurostar ticket and a few thousand Euros to my scout and let him go a little further afield.

If we had this aforementioned and imaginary £250k, then I'd definitely consider Poland, Ukraine or wherever.

(Disclaimer: £250k transfer fees was a figure plucked from the air by the author [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif" alt="cool[/IMG])

retired_amberger

What the Jockmodbloke said, in that I scout where I feel I can easily afford. Playing in the League of Wales, as far as I've seen you can only ever tour the UK, so the SWYCT guideline is unrealistic in the case when your club is listed as 'Rich' and consistently reaches the Champions League group stages.

I personally consider it OK to scout Western Europe/Scandanavia when I have a few hundred thousand in the bank, when 'Secure' I will scout all of Europe and maybe North Africa/Middle East, and when 'Rich' I will scout anywhere.

It's still difficult to sign players from anywhere other than Europe though, although I've always had to play Minimum database so there aren't too many exotic foreigners anyway.

Like someone else said, the EU is pretty much one 'country' when it comes to employment now, so just because you can't afford to scout somewhere doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't come to you if it meant a decent wage and standard of living.

retired_cathylynn820

So what you're saying is, SWYCT untill you have the finances sorted, and then consider your options. A question would you scout your home nation, in your case Scotland, from the start of the game if you were managing in say Croatia(pick any league where you're not allowed to tour Scotlan)?

I generally agree with you, but so far I have chosen not to scout my nationality(Denmark) if I couldn't tour it, it's been annoying me a bit though(that's why I'm asking).

Generally speaking though, and back to the topic, I don't see how the EU expansion would greatly affect LLM games.

KingsbayYHPE

Nah. Contrary to popular belief it's not a prerequisite that any Club I manage has to have Scots [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="wink[/IMG] [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="big grin[/IMG]

The same applies as to any other game. Once there's enough money in the bank, and if I've a scout available, I'll send him to Scotland.

That said, I'd find it difficult to tell someone it isn't realistic for a manager of a particular nationality that it wasn't realistic to have links to his own country's football structure.

One thing (another thing) that concerns me about SWYCT is the historic links that, say, Portugal has with Brazil, Belgium has with the African Countries, etc.

IRL, how do Portuguese Clubs, like Operário who had three Brazilians when I took them over - not dual nationality, straight Brazilians (steady!! [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif" alt="eek[/IMG]) - find those guys? Is it through scouting, or word of mouth, or what? I can't see an Açori Club having the wherewithal to send scouts to Brazil.

...but as you said. This isn't on Topic [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="wink[/IMG] [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="big grin[/IMG]

retired_brinker317

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:


One thing (another thing) that concerns me about SWYCT is the historic links that, say, Portugal has with Brazil, Belgium has with the African Countries, etc.

IRL, how do Portuguese Clubs, like Operário who had three Brazilians when I took them over - not dual nationality, straight Brazilians (steady!! [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif" alt="eek[/IMG]) - find those guys? Is it through scouting, or word of mouth, or what? I can't see an Açori Club having the wherewithal to send scouts to Brazil.

...but as you said. This isn't on Topic [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="wink[/IMG] [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="big grin[/IMG]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably the other way round - Scouts in South American and particularly Africa are based in those countries, and get commission for every player they manage to get to Europe - probably a huge con, numerous cases of youngsters being dumped on city streets after thier parents give up their entire life savings to get them into Europe - the Scout promises he will find a good club, and they will make money back - then doesen't, and they never see him again. I'm sure there was a Channel 4 Documentary about it once.

This is why a kid from Brazil whose parents were told he would join Benfica might end up in Division Four or wherever, I'd say.

KingsbayYHPE

Yep, I remember seeing a similar one about the African kids who were signed up by French and Belgian Clubs in their very early teens, or even earlier, and ended up uneducated and destitute.

We had a thread about it a couple of years back...

retired_cathylynn820

on the other hand the EU ekspansion could have a significant influx on the danish game, as we've seen quite a few Baltic kids in the top leagues in the last couple of years, maybe that trend will then spread to the lower leagues, dunno [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="big grin[/IMG] [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="big grin[/IMG]

retired_tchockfan

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
One thing (another thing) that concerns me about SWYCT is the historic links that, say, Portugal has with Brazil, Belgium has with the African Countries, etc.
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That is the primary area where I digress from the SWYCT guideline (more so than scouting Oz - because that just never works [IMG]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="wink[/IMG] ). As I've mentioned before, when playing in Belgium all of my scouts are required to make at least one trip a year to Africa despite them never finding any good players there. If I were playing in Portugal I would maintain some sort of regular links with Brazil. Given the amount of players I would find in one scouting trip though, I would probably limit it to one scout a year - some information but far less than comprehensive knowledge.

I suspect that you would find a similar thing with German regional teams and Eastern Europe (they are counted as EU players in Germany). But the best way to get a feel for it is to check out the other teams in the competition and see if they have a significant number of foreigners from a particular area.

I am of course totally ignoring the agent con issue.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> This being because it was possible for Leigh to send a scout to South America, very unrealistic and quite contrary to LLaMas' assertions that the game will stop you, saying you haven't enough resources. I've seen this once in God only knows how many LLM games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True - it doesn't happen nearly often enough IMO.