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Old 04-16-2003, 11:50 AM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #21
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OK...People...

Imagine a long piece of string...(wait I "am" going somewhere.
Imagine it lying stretched out in front of you.

Pick a point halfway along and imagine drawing a single line on the string. Now before it a short way you have another point, which you put TWO lines on, and a third spot to the right of that first single line, which you can put three lines on.

Ok, so we have a piece of string with three sets of lines. 2 1 3

Now, stretched out, the left end of the string is byte 0000 0000 0000 0000
And the right hand side of the string is byte FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF

Looking at it, 0 -> FF, the single line in the middle, the two-line spot is a short way to the LEFT of the single line and the 3-line sport is to the right.

NOW...important bit, BEND THE STRING on the single line spot, and fold the left bit above it.

Now, the 2-point spot is ABOVE the 1-spot point, but as the 00 start of the string is above it, the 2-point spot still comes before.

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Right, analagy (spelling?) over.
The data goes like this when you open the editor.

BYTE # DATA
00000000 ------->
0000000A ------->
0000000B ------->

And so on, if you open the editor on the piece of data you chose, then that will appear in the TOP-LEFT of the box, there is data to the right and below, and there is data ABOVE.

Try this...go to the line above, and pick the box that is DIRECTLY above the one you originally chose.
Click on it, then right-click on it, and add it to the table of contents (or ALT-T).
Go back to the main window, choose this 2nd number you've just added and open the editor AGAIN.

NOW LOOK AT IT...it's differnet. The box you ORIGINALLY opened isn't in the top left, it's in the line below.
This should make you understand how the editor works. If you took a piece of data halfway along two lines above, then the editor window would look different again.

When someone says 8 columns to the left, they mean that when THEY opened the window, it was slightly different because they found the value after searching for a different one.

IMHO, if you followed the route above and searched for BALANCE, then opened the editor and looked DOWN the window, you would have found Transfer budget/remaining and total wages. And Total Wage Budget would be 8 columns / or bytes to the left/beforehand (line above) total wages.

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NOW...I have just spent 20 minutes explaining something that a small amount of common sense should have been able to work out IF you had bothered to put a bit of time in a read and try the stuff that was written before rather than just ask how to do it.

It took me AGES :o playing around with TCM to get a foothold in this, Wougle did great following it up but we both had trial and error when first trying it and learning how the program worked...which is what the HELP files are there to do.

Now...if someone says the above bit of how I described everything is obvious and has posted before on this thread, then they are a moron because they never gave any indication of what they've tried to do and just said "What am I doing wrong"

C'mon guys. You've all been given a brain :eek:, try giving it a bit of exercise.

Next, I will not be spending ANY MORE TIME explaining the process of how it all works, even if I am sent a personal mail UNLESS there is a clear explaination of what has already tried before !!!

Any "How do I do this" questions will be ignored.
Rant Over, sorry. :p (But it bugs me )

P.S. Let's hear WHY you want to find this data.
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Old 04-16-2003, 11:52 AM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #22
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bittercreamfrog:
I have tried tons of times to change the wages-budget. It won't succeed. and as i've written just above, I don't get why people write 8 columns to the LEFT, when the cursor starts in the 1st column, so you can only go down and right..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you tried pressing the "UP" button or scrolling up?
Where you searched can't be the start of the data or the BYTE # on the left would be 0.

And if it was the 3rd result that was your balance, that means there were two results before your balance so of course there is data above, and not only down and right.
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Old 04-16-2003, 12:51 PM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #23
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:
i have tried EVERYTHING!!! written above...ok..let me state wer i get confused... i search my 'my current wage total' in artmoney... 8 results are founds...wich one is mine?...ok i right click them all and go 2 memory editor...wt do i do now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok...Dapz, have you read the thread at all? :eek:
First off - I said go with BALANCE as your starter...and as I said "FULL DESCRIPTION" you haven't mentioned if you tried to find, found, or not tried.

2ndly, the technique is listed above how to change the numbers, and I've just posted that LONG post describing it again. Please read the thread FULLY, and try that, or "QUOTE" the part where you get stuck.

You can't just say which one is mine, because that's been explained.
What do you do in the memory editor? You change the numbers.
Do you have to use it? NO...just change them on the main screen.

DID YOU READ THE HELP SECTION OF ARTMONEY YET? (I'm actually asking)
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Old 04-16-2003, 02:20 PM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #24
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:
b4 we start all ova agen...4 da last champ der was a prog called game hack...wich allowed u to alter ur bank balance and it automatically changed ur wages...wasn;t dat soo much easier...newayz...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never used it, and yes it would be easier if it existed for CM4 but no-one has made ANYTHING yet, hence why this is the method of choice at the moment.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:ok my balance is 820,765,953, i search 4 it, 5 found...i find my one...da address for it is....
0257FE24, to get to my wages what do i do now..?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well done. You've found your balance. Actual address for it doesn't matter as most people's will be different. You may even find yours shifts with each and every save...you may not.
Next? I believe it is in the thread:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GeedieZ
First make sure you are using English pound as your currency in the game. Then go to cm4 and find "Total Wage Budget". Find your "Current Wage Total" in cm4. Now go 8 columns left. Thats were your wage budget is. Change it, go back to the game, change from finances screen and go back to it. Tadaaa! Youve just become rich.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There he explains it. Re-reading it tho, I can now see why people got confused. He jumbled his words. You search for Current Wage Total in Artmoney, just as you found your balance. Then you look back in the data (that 8 columns thing) and...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Synthespian
Total wage budget should be NEAR where you found the balance.
However, it will not be the EXACT value<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The reason is not exact, is because the game rounds the value to a nice looking figure for you the user, and most contracts are going to be x50. 50000 looks better than 50232.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Synthespian
IMHO, if you followed the route above and searched for BALANCE, then opened the editor and looked DOWN the window, you would have found Transfer budget/remaining and total wages. And Total Wage Budget would be 8 columns / or bytes to the left/beforehand (line above) total wages.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DapZ
i have read everyting in the thread...includin ur long description but i still manage to get lost... mayB its js me!!! so lets start all over...what do i do wen i find my balance? Thanks 4 ur help!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So that explains it. You should always be working with numbers you've found or know. And there are the number of search methods like "range of values" or "unknown value"...keep trying things.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:
ok...js to clarify tings...i search for my current wage which is 675,000... i find many results... wen u say total wage shud be near balance...do i scroll up and down or look right or left?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Daps, please note that changing your total wage budget does not in any way alter the amount of wages you can offer players.

YOU CANNOT ALTER THIS.
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Old 04-16-2003, 07:19 PM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #26
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:
ok...js to clarify tings...i search for my current wage which is 675,000... i find many results... wen u say total wage shud be near balance...do i scroll up and down or look right or left?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously loads of results so you want the one close to balance more than likely.

And as for up/down/left/right - why not have a look and you tell me.
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Old 04-16-2003, 08:38 PM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #27
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OH MY GOD! For the love of all things football what can't you understand??? Synthespian has been so very kind and extremely patient. If you can't understand any part of his VERY simple guide then you really shouldn't be messing with your game. I'm not a moderator but don't EVER post your e-mail address. If you need someone to e-mail you then direct them to your profile which should contain your e-mail address. If you want some help then e-mail me (you'll find my address in my profile). And please no bloody SMS language??? All this "U, da and ur" really p**s me off. Also, if you read the rules (probably not) then you'll see that SMS Language isn't allowed either. So, just to recap:

1... Click on my name (Dan Atkinson).
2... This should bring up a pretty little window which will say a few things.
3... Click on "View Dan Atkinson's profile"
4... You'll see my e-mail address in there. Click on it and e-mail me.

Please don't keep pestering Synthespian. He's a genius when it comes to sifting through code. (Been keeping tabs on the Programmers Oracle!) He could be cracking CM4 code instead of explaining your "do i scroll up and down or look right or left" questions.

Dan Atkinson

If you think this is not nice then you should have read the stuff I deleted which I thought would get me carded!
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Old 04-16-2003, 09:14 PM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #28
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What kind words. I'm all embarrased. -&gt; :o

Howver, I'd love to know what it was you deleted, lol.

If you could send it to me at: *****@*********.com that'd be great. lol.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dapz:
u knw wt...i seriosuly am gettin nowhere wid dis... do u have a mobile i can ring u on synthesian...i seriouly need to figure out how to do dis...if u dnt wanna publish ur numba on da forum email me it on dapz69@hotmail.com... i'd be very grateful...!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Please don't post your e-mail address in threads.

2. You have the gift of the English language. Please use it.

Both of these are contraventions of the House Rules. No repetitions thank you. You have been given a friendly warning.
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Old 04-17-2003, 01:09 AM   *Official* ArtMoney thread Post #30
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No Yellow Card...this time. Like I said, just a friendly warning.
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