retired_subaru_impreza_p1

lately i'm try 2 implement formation with 3 def but it get really horrible ...
3-4-3
3-4-1-2
3-3-2-1
3-5-2

the team i try is with Arsenal n Watford.
my team can have quite good attacking since more player up front but i can't get clean sheet for about 8 games out of 10 ...

What should i do 2 make my defender 2 play better?
i always get scored when opposite came down both flanks and most of premier league team using 4-4-2 with both wings 2 attack.
is it a sweeper is needed?

most of the times i'm using Arsenal with micah richard, kolo toure, gallas, or van der borre as my dc they are really good player but just can make it work ...

retired_paulajh

Sorry to say, but you seem to have answered your own question buddy. Your lack of with allows wingers to get in behind your mifield and thorw in crosses without being challanged. This is even more evident in the prem. where the general style of play is to get the ball out to the wings and throw crosses in.

I used a 3-4-1-2 formation with Roma to good efficiency in the Italian Serie A. However I only used it against teams that I knew would play a system which did not focus on the wingers. (ex. AC Milan's 4-1-2-1-2 system).

If you want to use such a system you should adopt the "I don't care how many we concede, as long as we outscore them!" way of thinking.

retired_Markpdoody

Lets go back to the real world. Not many teams play with three defenders today. Now, in the world of FM2007 7.0.1 I notice the full-backs play an even more important role which means if you have no defenders wide, they will make use of the empty space even better.

But, I think it is good to have a three defender tactic as back up. When the AI plays very defensively with one play as a stroker and no wingers, a three defender team can be very effective. I once designed a team to go against the AI's 3-3-2-1-1 and it worked perfectly, overloading thier defence and not giving them a sniff. Why was it effective? Because the central part of thier attacker has been covered by my three defenders whom are all also in the central position. They had no wide attackers so I have no wide defenders and because thier players position os so low, by the time they attack, I would have neough players to support the three defenders.

If you still want to try and play with three defenders I suggest setting the two outer central defenders as per any other two DC's but the central one should have lower closing down, and more defensive mentality so he could play LIKE a sweeper. Make sure you play a low defensive line because have less defenders means you defence is weaker and the weaker your defence is the more conservative your defence line has to be. Low defensive line on a medium to high tempo game to get the ball as quickly as possibe to the five midfield.

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retired_Markpdoody

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retired_pennyyoung

i've had some success with this tactic, which uses a DMC with a barrow to the SW position. most of the description is given in the sweepers discussion. in defence, essentially, i set the DC with high closing down and hard tackling, to win any 50-50 balls through the middle, headers etc. your defender closest to john terry or rio ferdinand would be superb there. the DMC/SW is there to mop up the residue, and is configured to act as a sammer/ beckenbauer type. tweaking would definitely be necessary for your team's style. the DRC and DLC basically mop up remnants from the wings.

3-1-4-2

retired_rjw13838

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Is there no sense as well though in using a high defensive line so your midfielders are closer to your defence and can help them out quicker?

Perhaps even use offside trap..

retired_thehpsleb

I began a new ajax game some days ago..wanted to test there old playstyle 343.

This tactic works againt most 442's..you dont need more than 3 in the back line.
the 2 MC's will cover both side when the CPU have the ball.
When AI switch to the killer 4-1-2-3 set DCL and DCR to man mark there wings tight.
If you need to know more about player instruction etc, read my Ajax system thread.

retired_kellyk

There are teams who play a 532 formation with 3 DCs and it is possible to make them work, just look at how Liverpool took Wigan apart last week playing with 3DCs and with Finian and Risse as attacking fullbacks.


I still think the 343 is a workable formation, I was kinda mucking about with it before I fell off FM for a while but I hope to get into the groove of things once I've settled into my routine

retired_subaru_impreza_p1

I try 2 play the offside trap too with high def line but it seem like my defender move forward without caring the opposite player ...

beside that, i notice the referee is totally blind ... it is very very clear that it is a offside ball(i replay again and again to make sure), but the referee just don't raise up the damn flag ... n some time it take like years 2 raise it ...