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For managers that enjoy the challenge of bringing a lower league team to the top - without the need for tipping, cheating or bragging.
That’s it. The original heading for the Lower League Manager Forum. Pretty straight forward, isn’t it? We play the game as it comes out of the box, trusting the programmers and researchers to have been as honest as possible in giving us a game that will keep us interested and playing for as long as possible, although an Official Patch, bug-fix or update is sometimes added. With these few, easy to understand guidelines, we play the game. And that should be it.
But it isn’t.
For some reason we’re subjected to guys coming into the Forum and telling us why LLM isn’t the way to play the game, or some “great players” to sign that will ensure success, or use this tactic and you won’t have to wait so long to get out the Conference with Leigh, but to make matters worse we’re attacked and abused in another part of the Board, by supposed intelligent and articulate amateur journalists.
The guys who come in to the Forum are dealt with quickly, and sometimes brutally if a mod doesn’t get there in time, by regulars who have had to put up with years of this patronizing clap-trap. Yes, it can get a bit abusive, but bearing in mind we’re a close knit community, not by absolute choice, but because the majority of CMers want instant success, not good if you profess to be a LLMer, and because we get to know each other really well and can get a bit personal with remarks we make it can spill over into the informing of miscreants that they have crossed the line.
Not for a second am I justifying abuse of SI Board users, quite the contrary, but the guidelines are very simple to understand and if guys don’t want to comply then there are other Fora for them.
I wouldn’t dream of going into GPG and telling regulars they shouldn’t tip players, as I wouldn’t abuse TT users for discussing different formations, so why should we put up with guys telling us how we shouldn’t play in the LLM Spirit?
To answer some of the points brought up in the Bootroom wind-up:
The LLM Forum is fundamentally member-led. The guys who post there WANT to play the game as defined in the header, you remember “For managers that enjoy the challenge of bringing a lower league team to the top - without the need for tipping, cheating or bragging.”
The mods take this into account and make sure that guys who make the step into LLM play the game in the LLM style – if they don’t want to play in that style, why come to the Forum? Moderation of a Forum involves making sure rules are adhered to, and LLM mods are recognised to be much more accommodating to new, misguided, users than in the other Fora. Bans are much less frequent in LLM than in most others, newbies being subjected to discussion of guidelines rather than summary banning.
The example given of a “newbie” being flamed by a regular wasn’t a good one, as the “user”, Paul Smith, was in fact an “alias” of a banned user whose sole purpose in posting the topic was to elicit a response from the regulars.
If new users are in a “state of confusion and fear” by acronyms and mention of Andean ruminants and corpulent custodians, perhaps reading the recently extended header, with FAQ’s and an LLM Glossary, would help them along their way.
In the final paragraph, the author writes “Beyond that how much you cheat and the way you choose to play are entirely down to how much it adds or detracts from your enjoyment of the game.” This self-same point is brought up many times in the discussion of the Spirit and Ethics of LLM.
“You bought the game, play it as you see fit”, but not in the LLM Forum.
The article in the Bootroom was an ill thought out, unwarranted and certainly unwanted attack on LLM. The reason behind it escapes me, everyone knows what LLM involves. The idea that it was part of an ongoing “debate” on the subject of LLM is incredible.
It was a crude attempt at a “sensational” piece of journalism designed to cause controversy with absolutely no thought given to the damage it could cause to the LLM Forum and the users within.
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