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So I've decided that the player nationality thread doesn't count on behalf of being far too GQish, here's something that's been buggin me big time though, which is also directly linked to the game and how we should play it.
I have to say that this is mainly something that's bothered me in Denmark, and I'd think it works differently on the british isles.
Wehnever I send my scouts on a youth search, expecially when playing in Denmark, they find loads of young players who are not Danish. This bothers me for 2 reasons.
1: how on earth would a Danish coach know which youth players in Sweden, Norway or Finland are any good.
2: You might argue that those players are training in Denmark, but the problem with this is that they are not playing at a club that would allow you to make that argument. You might argue that they have joined some sort of football school or academy in Denmark, the trouble with this is that we have precious few of those.
My point being, that as a manager in Denmark I would have absolutely no chance of knowing if a 16 year old youth player who'd not a part of any club is any good. I have the feeling though, that it dosn't quite work that way on the British Isles, but I honestly don't know.
For those reasons it would seem unrealistic to sign Norwegian youth player as a manager in a Danish LL club. In fact it would only seem realistic to sign Danish Youth players.
This off course is in some ways related to SWYCT, but I think it would be more realistic to only sign players of the nationality that corresponds with the nation your team is playing in.
The problem with this is that when you do a youth search in Denmark most players are Norwegian or Swedish.
They search the whole region you have the scout in. Not just your nation. So Denmark being in Scandinavia for region considerations, the scout goes to the other countries too. Just like when I do youth searches with a German team, I get French, Swiss, Dutch and Belgians too. So actually it isn't unrealistic, as you learn where they're at from your scouts who scouted them. And the scout's job is to find previously unearthed talent.
true, but dosn't it seem a tad realistic that they are better at unearthing tallent outside of the country you're playing in. Logic says that they would have a far greater contact base in the country you're playing in than in countries outside of that nation.
It's not that simple. It's a question of the nation's talent pool too. They're looking for players that can cut the mustard for your club. Not just for any 16 year old that plays for a youth side.
Well, shawn, I think it is that simple. I agree that a certain country's talent pool varies from country to country, I simply don't believe it's realistic that they are that aware of talent in other countries. Thus, I would think it would be far more realistic to only sign youth players from the country you're managing in.
Dirk, I'm very well aware that players may go to trials at clubs, but I seriously doubt that players from say the northern parts of Sweden would go to trials in a minor club like Svendborg.
In my years of youth searches in CM3 I've come to the conclusion that the search goes on in your Region, not just your Nation.. Denmark in Scandinavia, Italy in Central Europe, Wales in...where are Wales, then?
I don't think it's unrealistic that your scout finds players from other countries too. Today there are so many people with different nationalities living at the same place but nevertheless they all act like they belong there (actually, I think they really do).
A good RL example, since I live only around 200 meters from their training ground are the youth squads from FC Bayern Munich. The scouts there are mainly scouting in Munich and the suburbs but the players they find are from lots of different nationalities. Africans, players from Turkey (turkeys? ), all kinds of Eastern Europeans, Italians, Austrians....reading the squad lists is really funny sometimes. A great thing though is that most of them speak German really well because they are living in the town already for several years or even their whole life.
So, for your Danish example, I think it's very likely that Norwegians, Swedes or anything like this are living in Denmark and playing youth football there. And they don't necessarily need to play in clubs. There are also lots of football events outside of league competitions where you can spot promising players.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arbitrary:
Or maybe your scout just travels to Finland etc to watch them.
I take it that LL Danish teams can tour Finland, so in effect, your scout is just applying SWYCT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No they can't, and rightly so. Finland is a very expensive place to travel to from Denmark and I can think of a dozen other places it would be realistic to be able to scout before Finland.
Many of the arguments I've heard justifying the number of youth players from outside your nation are based on mobility and lists of youngsters nationalities at clubs people know. All of this is probably true when it comes to big clubs with a reputation, but LL clubs in general don't have that reputation. I don't think a lot of youngsters from outside the clubs nation will attempt to make the trip to a puny club at the bottom of the pyramid, I just don't see it happening.
Using Denmark as the example as I have been doing, simply because that's the place I know best, name one club in the Danish Second Division with more than 2 players who are not Danish, and that's counting players from other scandinavian countries. I just don't see it happening.
I agree that on the british isles this may be different, but I'm not sure that's the case in many other countries, and I have often torn my (remaining) hair out of my head when I saw a dozen swedish youngsters and 1 danish youngster in my youth search. I simply don't buy it.
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