DBrown87

I don't see the problem here...

I start with Man utd, and I have 10M to spend at the start of the season. Most of this gets spent on firing and hiring better staff. Man utd are one of the biggest clubs in the world, you'd expect them to have vast sums of money to spend. But it makes not one bit of difference. An here's why...

They are a big club, which lots of income from various things, their massive stadium for one. Not only that, but if I am successful with them, I win huge amounts of prize money. In one successful season I'll earn double what your pompey team have to spend. Same goes for Real Madrid.

You can spend all that 30M, but you sure as hell won't become a force to be reckoned with. You won't win major titles, and you won't win huge amounts of prize money, and you on't have 70,000 or so supporters coming to see you each week. That 30M will be gone and you'll not get that much again for quite a while, where as Real madrid can make that every season quite easily. This is the point you're missing. In the long term, Real Madrid are a lot richer than Portsmouth.

alidog

Here's a hypothetical scenario that should hopefully explain why there's not a problem in FM:

Newcastle United are, IRL, in debt. Let's say this debt is £20m (It used to be a lot more but Mike Ashley has paid most off lately) and let's further imagine that Newcastle United are operating in their overdraft and are £1m in the red. The hypothetical new manager is told that he needs to sell before he buys and that until he sells, there's no money for transfers.

Now imagine Whitley Bay, somewhere in the depths of the Arngrove Northern League division 1 are £10k in the black, with no debts. Their manager is told he can spend £5k on players if he wants.

Both those scenarios are fairly plausible IRL. But does this mean that Whitley Bay are a bigger club than Newcastle United? Does it mean that Whitley Bay can attract players that Newcastle cannot? Does it mean ANYTHING AT ALL other than that at that particular moment in history, Whitley Bay have more money to spend than Newcastle? Why is that a problem to people?

So Portsmouth have some money to spend. So Barcelona don't have much. So what? The Portsmouth situation is accurate, I'm as confident as I can be about that. If the Barcelona situation is not, then I'm yet to see or hear from anyone who can confidently tell me why it isn't or what they should have and why. Until such a post is made (And I'll happily accept I'm wrong if one is made), I have to assume the Barcelona data is correct as well.

Bank balance does not equate to size of club, otherwise Manchester United (with their £700m debt) are a smaller club then my sunday league team.
Transfer funds does not equate to size of club either.

Once again, to anyone who thinks there's a problem should run a game on holiday mode for at least 5, possibly 10 years and check things out then. As I've already said, I'm in 2009 and Barcelona are outspending Portsmouth by a long way.

So far on my game, Portsmouth have spent £33m and sold £3.6m for a net spend of £29.4m.

Barcelona have spent £74m and recouped £3.65m for a net spend of £71.35m

I see no problems there.

anon414

Off to the Pompey reserve game now but some good reading there. I notice theres no mention of Arcadi Gaydamak on your rich list nico?

Kyokudo

Two ways in which this is utterly irrelevant:
1. Spending money doesn't necessarily come from the club bank balance
2. The operators of Spanish football clubs lie habitually about their budgets, targets and anything else that will make them look good.


I've always wanted to say "What rot!", so thanks for giving me the chance.


In your, hardly unbiased, opinion.


The English leagues are not over-rated. It's just that the game is made by Brits, and the engine currently favours a style of football that plays to the strengths of certain types of player. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it is pretty stereotypical to say that most Spanish SD lie about their budget. Pedrag and Our president were talking to Harvard students about Madrid's business. This isn't irrelevant. I was simply showing that the transfer budget is not anywhere near what it should be. We get raped in transfer prices and regularly spend big. Hell we are famous for spending big, yet our maximum transfer budget is less than half of real life.

As for your "what rot" comment, English is my third language so I am not so sure what you are saying. I was just saying that it is ridiculous to state there is a possibility to change the game to make it more enjoyable to the target buyer of this game. The truth is that this notion is wrong because it has no effect on if a kid will buy this.

Well I do think it is the right data. If we continually show a pattern of spending big, getting raped on transfers because of it, and then making more money in order to offset the inflation our club attracts, buy lots of new players, and actually were going to have big sell off this summer then I think it is quite reasonable to change this.

Don't act like you are taking the unbiased high ground here. You aren't the only one that can dispute data. You also aren't the judge, jury, and executioner per say. Why don't you have to prove to me this stuff is right? O wait they have experts and testers doing this don't they.......

Finally, On my last statement which you quoted, what you just said totally backs up my statement. You just said that the game FAVORS an English style of game. Hmmm what does that mean... If it favored an Italian style of play then wouldn't it be favoring the Italian leagues considering they are the ones that play like that. I think you can safely say that out of the big leagues, none of the others play like the English.

In your long term or games with long term holidays, how has Arsenal done? They don't play "english football" do they?

My_Evo

Uh-oh, looks like I upset someone...

You're right, it is unnecessary stereotyping. Let me be more accurate and say the Chairmen and SD's of Real Madrid, including the current pairing, are reknowned for lying about their resources and plans.
There, that's not stereotyping is it?

The audience is irrelevant. Whether they're speaking to a fan in a bar or a class at Harvard, they may well be exaggerating.

The budget at the start of FM08 accounts for money already spent. When you egt to the enxt window, you'll get a better view of the finances modelled and spending power available.


Okay, I thought you were suggesting SI had changed this aspect of the game just to appeal to some kids, which is nonsense. But since you're not saying that then fair enough.


And you can do that in FM too. You just have to grasp that at the game start the budgets reflect spending that has already taken place. The income over the season at a big club means you will be in the position to continue to spend big in subsequent windows.


Why not? On this, I am unbiased. You're not.


Not sure where I ever said anything like that. Don't make stuff up.

Again, where did I say anything about not proving things?
The Portsmouth researcher offered to prove his point. Did you take him up on it?


The point is it's not that English clubs or players are over-rated, it's that the nature of the engine gives them a slight advantage.


Not in real life they don't...