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Old 11-06-2007, 02:39 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #11
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The part above about researchers is not directed towards anyone in general. Not you Cliff7197.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:25 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #12
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Isn't that the spending budget? RM has already signed so many players during the summer, maybe that's why the low budget? As for Pompey, they do have money and hasn't spent much.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:37 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #13
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Just to let you guys know, We signed a F****** $1.2 BILLION contract with MediaPro. Let me say that again... $1.2 Billion... No way in burning hell does Pompey have more money. Florentino Perez was an extraordinary business man and Caulderon is an even more impressive one. I want to know what the heck you researchers do if you all supposedly don't just play the game. If they really were fans they would know something significant like that. WTF LOL.

Just FYI.

If Real Madrid are financially strong. It will be reflected by their high annual revenue. Which means they will have large profits each season and be able to generate cash easily.

Balance is just how much cash you have on hand. Just because Real Madrid are a big club does not mean they have hundreds of millions of dollars in spare cash lying about.

Portsmouth probably had a cash injection from their rich owner. But obviously they are going to have lower revenue than Real Madrid.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:44 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #14
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by cliff7197:
But it is a data issue, and it should be in the data issues forum.

And you're only mentioning balance, which I presume is bank balance. I seem to remember Real being hundreds of millions in debt until last year when they sold their training ground, or something like that. Don't forget that their outgoings are massively more than Portsmouth's, and it's entirely possible they operate within an overdraft rather than in credit while Portsmouth have a bit of cash to throw around due to their owner being rich.

Doesn't seem that wrong to me, at first glance.
Just to let you guys know, We signed a F****** $1.2 BILLION contract with MediaPro. Let me say that again... $1.2 Billion... No way in burning hell does Pompey have more money. Florentino Perez was an extraordinary business man and Caulderon is an even more impressive one. I want to know what the heck you researchers do if you all supposedly don't just play the game. If they really were fans they would know something significant like that. WTF LOL.

Just FYI. </BLOCKQUOTE>

As a Real Madrid fan, I have to say that they both are gangsters and robbers that should be jailed. Ok, also very good business men, but in the bad way. Florentino has won money thanks to Real Madrid, while all other presidents lose money...
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:29 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #15
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Football finance is a good deal more complicated than what is in your bank balance.

Pompey have a huge cash injection, but we have a creaking 20,000 capacity stadium - Real Madrid's stadium is four times that capacity. Even with that bank balance we cannot even remotely compete with Real Madrid financially - we just do not have the infrastructure, history or the ticket sales.

Or Champions League money. Or reserve players that fetch multi-millions in the transfer market. Or a youth system capable of producing more than one premiership quality player a decade.

I very much doubt that you will see Pompey outspend Real Madrid on FM over a long period of time. Much a I hate to say it, but you are much more likely to see Pompey relegated than win the Premierhsip in the next 10 years real time or FM time.

Our spending power will dimish with time, Real Madrid's wont. That is when you will see the true wealth of each team.
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Football finance is a good deal more complicated than what is in your bank balance.

Pompey have a huge cash injection, but we have a creaking 20,000 capacity stadium - Real Madrid's stadium is four times that capacity. Even with that bank balance we cannot even remotely compete with Real Madrid financially - we just do not have the infrastructure, history or the ticket sales.

Or Champions League money. Or reserve players that fetch multi-millions in the transfer market. Or a youth system capable of producing more than one premiership quality player a decade.

I very much doubt that you will see Pompey outspend Real Madrid on FM over a long period of time. Much a I hate to say it, but you are much more likely to see Pompey relegated than win the Premierhsip in the next 10 years real time or FM time.

Our spending power will dimish with time, Real Madrid's wont. That is when you will see the true wealth of each team.
But youre mostly comparing it to real life.
in FM with such a balance to work with and without cheating I can take over pompey and let them grow into the same superpower as Real in no time and stay there.
In real life it pains me to say, it would take me much more work.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:18 AM   Concern for the researchers or whoever responsible Post #17
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I know the Pompey Researcher very well and there is no way that he would exagerate the finances of the club. In fact, we have been very well run since Gaydamak took over.
You'll also remember that the Premier League money significantly increased from the start of the 07 season, Pompey have spent well within thier (meagre) means.

If you want to have a pop at anyone, it'll be the Real Madrid Researcher, but even then the head data guy at SI probably wants balance in the leagues, so evens out some of the starting balances so not to slew the advantage of one club over another for "gameplays" sake.

If you had thought about it a tad more before launching your toys out of the pram, perhaps you would have reached the same conclusion, bank balancesat game start are probably carefully trimmed to enhance the game.

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I know the Pompey Researcher very well and there is no way that he would exagerate the finances of the club.
That's true actually Sheer Class has always been very conservative.
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But youre mostly comparing it to real life.
in FM with such a balance to work with and without cheating I can take over pompey and let them grow into the same superpower as Real in no time and stay there.
In real life it pains me to say, it would take me much more work.
You can also take Real Madrid and make them into an even bigger superpower - it's not like they are restricted and Pompey aren't.

All the points I made are true in real life and in the game. The research is spot on. A computer game's ability to simulate every nuance of real world finances is always going to be limited and both Pompey and Real Madrid are great examples of clubs that have not fitted anything like the norm over the past decade.
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Originally posted by stiffler:

Just to let you guys know, We signed a F****** $1.2 BILLION contract with MediaPro. Let me say that again... $1.2 Billion... No way in burning hell does Pompey have more money. Florentino Perez was an extraordinary business man and Caulderon is an even more impressive one. I want to know what the heck you researchers do if you all supposedly don't just play the game. If they really were fans they would know something significant like that. WTF LOL.

Just FYI.
That $1.2bn dollar deal was over 7 years. With the exchange rate currently at over $2 to the £, that's less than £100m per year. Now yes I appreciate that's still a hell of a lot of money, but it's not like you can expect to have £1.2bn sitting in your bank balance, as you won't have.

I'm confident the Real Madrid researcher will be aware of this deal though and will have included something along those lines in the game. Though I've not managed in Spain yet on FM08 so can't say that for certain, but I'd suggest if you're concerned you take over Real and see how their finances pan out after a couple of seasons.

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The part above about researchers is not directed towards anyone in general. Not you Cliff7197.
That's good to hear, last time I checked SI hadn't made me into a researcher yet!
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