retired_dellydoolittle

I tried a little test; half a team closing down to 0 and other half to 4 notches. the resoult is not even that it was hard to notice any difference, I started doubting if closing down even works like it should.....

retired_aries

Not really a balanced test though Mitja.

Might have been better to look for differences between 1-5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20.

I think of the effects of closing down as similar but in an opposite sense tactically to creative freedom notches on the slider.

Anywhere between 1-5 is'nt going to show a huge amount of difference really, unless you're watching a considerable number of full games in the match engine, or notice significant changes in the post-match stats.

retired_katysdodd

Did you not read the previous posts in the thread mate? PaulC (who I believe is in charge of the match engine) has said it isn't true for FM.

retired_aries

Did you not read the previous posts in the thread mate? PaulC (who I believe is in charge of the match engine) has said it isn't true for FM. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Mitja understands fine now. It's just we were all a little concerned with a post we saw in a thread in T&TT. I imagine he just wanted to have a quick look for himself to see if there was any noticable difference.

Notch-by-notch slider changes can make a difference, but only in tandem with other slider changes to make any noticable difference. EG - If you're moving closing down up a single notch, you might also want to lower creative freedom a notch to see a bit of a difference, and so on... :thup:

retired_dego72

That so needs to be implemented in FM.

Not that some of us havent been asking for it for a couple of years......

retired_dego72

Its an experiment in the FML beta. I dont see it being introduced to FM anytime soon..... </BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont you guys see the obvious need for this to be done?

The reason for this is twofold:

1) If we assume the differences between notches are fairly subtle then any changes we make are likely to be imperceptible during a match. This in turn contributes to the player feeling that trial and error rather than educated changes (thanks to the lack of feedback the game provides) is how they got their tactic to work.

2) If (1) is not true and the effects of a notch change are big changes that are visible, then a fairly minor change in terms of the way the notches are presented to us can have a major effect on a tactic that are out of proportion with the number of notches.

We really need some kind of median here- as it is we can only be operating at one of two extremes. Neither are very satisfactory seeing as we have next to no feedback on how tactics work or dont.

If you must persist with 20 notches then at least present the effects graphically- defensive line, width, mentality (in terms of positioning) and closing down are 3 that spring to mind.

A lot of these things have been mentioned for a long time, how long before we move away from unintuitive system we have been stuck with for far too long?