Beevster

This is copyed from wwfans tactical thred (a must read if you already havent had a look), and after many people thought it was alright i have decided to add it for everyone whos interested in these types of instructions to come on in and have a look.

For front men (sc) havent you noticed they get cought off side a lot with fwd runs often? i found henry was getting cought offside way to much with fwd runs often even tho hes a fast striker with good OTB stats, setting them to mixed i found stoped the needles fwd runs and gave him the option to do so, Now this lead's me into thinking maybe we use rearly mixed often in the wrong sence.

Another point, have you ever seen your team score long shots, have you ever seen a manager in real life set out in his tactics, "you take long shots as much as possible ronaldinho." i have no proof but imo id say that if a player trys a long shot its out of pure time of the moment, So i set everyone to long shots rearly, my shots on target went up quiet a bit and instead of blasting a shot from distence much more chances where created in the right manner, of course they still did long shots but at better moments, i dont belive this is down to decision stats or anything else.

This then lead me onto run with ball and crossing, nearly in everones tactics fb are cross ball often, i watched my fullback lots of times simple passes would have been better options, but they try a cross and nothing comes of it, so i set them to mixed and i see much better use of crossing and if no cross they do a nice little pass which was a better choice, once again it wasnt down to crap players with poor dicision stats, as i tested this with arsenal.

Then came run with ball, i watched players on the wings with rwb often, time after time they started to dribble right infront of a guy then lost the ball and they get an easy counter-attack, it was frustrating to watch a guy with 20 dribble 20 first touch losing possesion maybe 3/4 times he trys to dribble, so setting this 2 mixed give him the option weather or not to attempt to dribble, once again worked wonders for build up play.

So now my basic logic on rearly/mixed/often differs on diffrent types of players.

strikers: Fast striker [FR mix] [RWB mix] [LS Rarely] [TB Mix][CB Mix]
Target Striker [FR Mix] [RWB Mix] [LS Rarely] [TB Mix] [CB Rearly] (altho the target man might want to be on FR rearly according to some posts, somthing id like to try might help my tactics, but i find that a target man with some pace can also be good with FR too )

Wingers: [FR Mix] [RWB Mix] [LS Rarely] [TB Rarely] [CB Mix] FWR to often would be ok for wingers if you like them to get high up the pitch, offside shouldnt be a problem here.
MCa [FR Often] [RWB Mix] [LS Rarely] [TB Mix] [CB Rarely] cross ball rarely should keep him central, like the target man
MCd [FR Rarely] [RWB Mix] [LS Rarely] [CB Rarely]
Fullbacks [FR Mix] [RWB Mix] [LS Rarely] [TB Rarely] [CB Mix] If you like the risk send ur fb on FR often but since defence is a pain in the ass at the moment i dont see overlapping fb as a good idea just yet.

Pritty easy to figure out, through balls down the middle and crosses on the flanks with the exception of the fast striker who could go too the wings and have a cross while the Target man should remain central and not cross.

I tested this quiet a lot with Arsenal a top end team , i liked the build up more then i did with things on often, with poor sides you might have to tell the players what to do more, in this case i adopt an approach where, if a player is balenced all round for your league, dont tell him to do loads of things often just because he can, but get him to do things that are more important for his position, van persie is a good example, he has over 16 for most things dribble, long shots, ect... i tryed him on often for everything and this is when i started to think about how where instructing our players, In my eyes telling a player to run with ball often is saying to him "you must run with ball at every chance you get" he will do this no doubt but it probably wasnt the right choice, same with crossing your telling the player no matter what his dicisions are to cross the ball at every chance he gets.

Anyway feel free to pick holes in my views, and by all means test them out and see if you can spot a diffrence.

oescus

I have tried on many occasions to make sense of the issues that you mention, Beevster. my dilemmas are these. Surely you can't just put a player on RWB just because a particular tactic advises it. If the player has fairly high skills in dribbling, then yes but if his dribbling skills are low ,then no.

The same principal will therefore apply to all of your squad in relation to setting up your player instructions to try to match up the team instructions. I have found it rather difficult to get a consistent tactic that will stand up to the whole season.

I now use Marc Vaughans hints and tips from FM2006 in relation to players and RWB,FWD runs etc, and only allow them to use RWB FWD runs if they have the attributes. So, if a player has low passing skills I only have him on short passing.The theory being, that if he can't pass to a colleague 10 yards away, he certainly won't be able to, to a colleague 40 yards away.

Like yourself, I invite ridicule and possibly even worse. All views on the subject are more than welcome. Kind regards to all.

Beevster

I dont think you have read or understood what im talking about.

I have not taken this from any particular tactic.

I never said put a guy on fwd runs or anything else, i was saying that you should not put a guy on things often as this is demanding players to do things they dont need to do often.

Also i dont know what your talking about short passing, it has nothing to do with my thred.

And finaly if a player on the wing cant dribble i have by no means told you to make him do fwd runs.

Andrew K

I don't agree with your theory. Not only should the passing rating be factored in, but also the player's position. If you set a poor passing fullback or centerback to short passing, expect passes to be intercepted in dangerous places on the pitch. Setting them to long or direct may mean more turnovers but they likely will be further up the pitch, thereby allowing time to either win back the ball or break up the attack.

Beevster

And also

9 times out of 10 if you take a winger for example he will have good dribblins skills so rwd mixed would be the sensible option, but there are exceptions like beckham who could be utilized in other areas, what im getting at is use the rarley mixed often as a tool to make a player better, but dont over do it by setting him to do to much to often.

Andrew K

I always factor in a players decision rating when deciding their individual instructions. If they have a high decision attribute I'm more likely to set them on mixed, thereby giving them the choice when to make a run or a long shot. If they have a low decision attribute then I set them on either rare or often as I don't want a poor decision attribute factored in on what they do.

Beevster

Yes i agree, i did say for players who are not so good you will have to tell them what to do more.

It also depends what you would call a good dicision stat, i take 12 as the avarage dicision stat for the premiership so a guy who has 12 you can set him up nicly with my instructions for what hes best at. But dont forget to set him up properly for his area of the field.

oescus

I was not implying that you put any players anywhere.I was just passing on my views and hoping for your observations! There is no need to be aggressive over it. lighten up a little. Life is good. Kind regards as usual to all.

oescus

Andrew k, good point.I will take that into account. Thanks.

Beevster

Sorry if it sounded harsh, i was trying to get at you, i was just trying to explain what the thread is about.

all is good