Littell_Sam

Does anyone know the exact criteria that need to be fulfilled in order for you to be able to ask one player to tutor another, in terms of

- positions of both players
- ages of both players
- how long they have been at the club
- personalities?

the only one I am certain on is that they both have to be of somewhat the same position (ie either defenders, midfielders, or strikers) but cant get my head around the rest because sometimes I can get my 24 year old striker to tutor my 18 year old striker, yet cant get my 30 year old defender to tutor my 18 year old defender

James1226

Good question! Can't help you with all of that, but here is what I do know (and it might just be what you discovered yourself):

Position: The two players in question, must share an ability to play in the same line of a formation (Defender, Defensive Midfielder, Midfielder, Attacking Midfield, Striker). This mean that there is now an added bonus to versatile players, since they are able to move PPM's from line to line - something that can be real handy in a long game!

Age: The only thing I do know, is that players aged 23+ can not be tutored. I don't think players aged <24 can act as tutor (but I might be wrong here).

How long they have been at the club: I don't understand the system here. Sometimes a player can tutor after a couple of months, but sometimes it takes up to 6 months.

Personalities: I don't think it plays a part in deciding if you can ask players to tutor, but it certainly is important in determining if the relationship will be a succesfull one!

Part of the team: Player that act as tutor, must be placed in 1st team squad. This is easy to test. If you have an experienced player in your reserve team, he does not pop up when you ask your yougster to learn, but if you move him to the 1st team squad, he becomes available as a potential tutor.

Squad status: Young players that are EFFECTIVELY first team players can not be tutored. But you can sign a young player as Important, place him among the reserves, and when he recognize that his actual squad status is not what it says in his contract... then you can tutor him. Vice Versa: A Hot Prospect, that you play for 3 months can not be tutored - you have to place him among the reserves again.

James1226

Forgot one thing...

Squad Status: A player that does not play a part in your first team, will not be available as tutor. Again - the game is clever enough to disregard what the contract says. Only players that are effectively first teamers can act as tutor.

Which leads me to asking the question I'm currently asking myself: Does average rating play a part in determining if the learning will be succesfull? I think it does, but I am not sure. It does seem that youngsters are more eager to learn from the stars of today, than the stars of yesterday - (the game appear to agree with the left wing critics who has labelled our time "The age of amnesia" )

James1226

Unfortunately I can not edit, but 23 year old players can act as tutors. Just seen the evidence.

retired_vfavon1

I have a question:
If "mentor" and "leaner" will play more "prime" games together, will it help
in tutoring?

PS:
In my team 24yo AM/F mentor tutoring 21yo DM and they does not share same (any) position on field at all. Also i have one mentor without any ppm.

retired_nina26

I was wondering if anyone know what the three different options means?
Role model
Approach
Learn
Will it effect how fast players increase skill or is it just ppm and mentality?

retired_kokoro_magic

An observation: If the player "tutor" has a "looking to take up coach/am/m after retirement" under his future plans. It is HIGHLY likely he will be willing to teach the young 'uns.

retired_ryanlill

Well, that was certainly effectivce! After reading this thread, I hooked up an experienced AM LC with a 16 year old, and after 2-3 months (maybe less, but didn't check before), he has picked up every PPM plus two new ones!

I picked the second option - something about <Youngster_name> benefiting from learning from <Tutor_Name>'s and his football mentality (something like that, I'm using Spanish language).

Can't see any changes in his other stats, but I guess there could be a slight change... He's still rubbish. For example, he learnt the PPM "powerful free kicks" (freely translated), but still has a free kick rating of 3...

James1226

Why is there no link to this thread in the tactics bible? Rashidi? Cleon?

The three options for tutoring is still a bit of a mystery.
I no longer belief that they change different aspects of a players attributes.

All of them seem to change both attributes and PMs. Instead I think they represent a scale:

1) Role Model: Using this option you simply encourage your youngster X to be just like First team player Y. It is in other words the most powerfull of the 3 options. A completely succesfull role model tutoring, will change the X's mental attributes (both visible and hidden) to the level of the Y's and he will pick up all of Y's PM's as well.
Note though, that even if this option is unsuccessfull and X complain to you, he still might have learned something. I even seen youngsters pick up PM's and at the same time develope a dislike for their tutor.
2) Adopt: Simply like 1, but Y influence X to a lesser extent. Obviously a better change that the tutoring will be succefull.
3)) Learn: Again the same rules apply.

Actually, if one read what the youngster say when you ask him to follow a senior player, it is quite obvious that these options do the same. All of them leads the youngster to say that he is looking to adjust his mentality and movement (on and off pitch).

So if you have an unambitious youngster, who could become a star "if only...", it is not advisable immediately to tell him to adopt a very ambitious senior player as a role model. Instead asking him to learn from the player, will have a better chance of success.

ice

I too would be greatly intrigued by this topic.

So when you say that Ans, are you saying you think that just for Ambition? Or do you think the players should have similar stats in all the hidden areas/personality for this to work?