KingsbayYHPE

I always liked the word "clique"

Noun:clique
1) An exclusive circle of people with a common purpose

Using "exclusive" with a positive connotation...Cool! :cool:

KingsbayYHPE

Think of it this way. To post in LLM you have to play CM in a certain way. That way being enjoying "the challenge of bringing a lower league team to the top - without the need for tipping, cheating or bragging. ] ".

That's from the Forum Header for the plurks who can't/won't read it.

Taking it a bit further, playing the game as realistically as the game allows you.

LLM's not a badge that you put on to look cool, it's more of a way of life. You can't be part-LLM, you can't frequent TT or GPG and be LLM, it just doesn't work that way.

In that way we are a clique. We are exclusive. We exclude people who won't play LLM in the LLM Spirit, and I make no apologies for that.

Bottom line? Play the game as you see fit. If you play the game realistically, without using known players, without using other guys' tactics, without Scouting ridiculous distances, without having to ask if you're cheating, then you're probably having a good go at LLM.

Any other way, you won't fit into this clique.

retired_pmetzger1

It's no pseudonym. He just loves himself

retired_bb1and2

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mkus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LionelHutz:
I think it's ok to re-loan the same players the second time around as long as you found them legitimately the first time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
A tenner says most people here disagree. I'm sure Iajafer would love to argue this one with you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Argue? Nah. There's no arguement there. Signing players from prior knowledge is _not_ LLM, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Never has been, never will be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so what if your scouts find a player you once signed or loaned the second time around? Do you have to just ignore that player because you have previous knowledge of his abilities?

What about the opposite situation? You loaned or signed Areal Muppet in a previous game, he was a dud and your scouts recommend him the second time around. Are you allowed to use you previous knowledge to shun and avoid him this time?

I understand the ethics of LLM involves playing as close to real life as possible but the release of EP3 has forced us into a situation that is not real life (outside the confines of the movie Groundhog Day).

To be honest I'm not all that worried, but I'm a lawyer so I like the argument. I'm not a pure LLM but I think it's great that the ethical arguments in here get to this level of specificity while all the other boards are full of people who download a supertactic, reload their games when they don't win and then boast about taking Man U to the Champions League final.

bodymassindicator

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LionelHutz:
To be honest I'm not all that worried, but I'm a lawyer so I like the argument. I'm not a pure LLM but I think it's great that the ethical arguments in here get to this level of specificity while all the other boards are full of people who download a supertactic, reload their games when they don't win and then boast about taking Man U to the Champions League final.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I too find it fascinating how this whole LLM style seems to have evolved into this complex entity and I'm sure if you nitpick long and hard enough (as a lawyer you should have experience) you'll uncover points of ambiguity and disagreement, but at the bottom of it all is just the desire to play a realistic game, and everyone has to make their own decisions as to what is the right thing to do in a given circumstance.

I feel it is a bit pointless trying to find all kinds of exceptions to the rules as they seem to be flexible enough. Specifically, I probably wouldn't sign a player that I know was truly crap the last time I had him, and yes, there's prior knowledge involved, but I mean come on, the alternative is another extreme.

bodymassindicator

Or how about a more constructive comment from me: When I patch the game and have/want to start over, I usually start somewhere else, with a different team in a different country, so I don't replicate a career that isn't replicable in the first place. I hate those deja vu moments.

retired_pmetzger1

Everytime you start a new game, from whatever is year zero in your version, you are a fresh faced new manager.

Your knowledge of players is limited. That's why you have scouts, it's why you have "fog of war" on. It's why your reputation is crap. Hell, when you first start at a club you barely have any knowledge of your own players, let alone those at other clubs/unattached. You have a fair knowledge of some of the bigger players at top division clubs, because they're always in the news. But none of them would sign for an unknown manager at some tin-pot club anyway.

If your scout recommends a player to you, you are likely to try and sign him.

How is that such a difficult concept to grab?

Also, don't forget that some of the lesser known players in the game (i.e. those that we are likely to come into contact with) generate with different abilities and potentials each time. Just because they were poo before doesn't mean they will be this time around.

KingsbayYHPE

Fúckin'Lawyers. No wonder Justice is just a game in the Modern World.

Look...<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Signing players from prior knowledge is not LLM, not by any stretch of the imagination.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>...at the highlighted bit, "from prior knowledge".

Lawyers dissect sentences to such a degree that they miss the whole point that's being made (deliberately, I suspect. The more time spent arguing, the more money from the Client)

If your Scout finds a player in a game, regardless of whether it's the first or thirteenth, then that player is fair game for an approach.

It's the same with the "can I sign Maradona, he's a big player? (well, he is now )" discussion. Yes you can, if your Scout found him in the SWYCT or SYB or your version of a realistic way.

It's only difficult when you make it so.

WingCo's completely correct in saying you shouldn't get bogged down with "Rules". Play the game realistically and it's like falling off a log. "If you have to ask yourself if you're cheating, then you very probably are" works.

If you look for obstacles, then you'll find them.

retired_bb1and2

Thank you. Look out for Championship Lawyer 4, in stores soon.

KingsbayYHPE

I'll be first in line, Lionel