retired_nekh_20

Editor Talk! Can I lend that axe Uttern?

retired_emc580

Go for it craig...sheesh, openly admitting using an editor

retired_solecito

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pmyraje:
Rushden and Fulham have been bank-rolled to their success - it will always be possible with someone putting in enough cash!!

Wimbledon were the only true example I know of relatively recently, but even that was 20 years or so ago and times have changed since then.

I'd be astonished if Leigh RMI ever get to the 3rd Division. They were my local club until they sold out and let developers take over their ground and build a housing estate so they moved to Leigh and changed their name from Horwich RMI Those who know what the RMI stands for and know the area will know how disappointing that is...but back to the point - they will never get anywhere in reality.

I'm not dissing the LLM way, but there is a certain irony with people trying to do things as "realistically" as possible when as soon as they become successful the reality becomes less and less!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course regardless of how well you do, CM does manage to become increasingly surreal the further through the game you get.

retired_sandra

Ford United - 5 promotions in 7 seasons, now in Ryman Premier.

bodymassindicator

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pmyraje:
Umm, just to clarify that - I mean in England.

I know Inverness Cally Thistle and Ross County have risen from being in the Highland league originally to Div 1 and Livingston up to the Premier Division in Scotland and abroad there may be more examples I don't know about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unterhaching in Germany. They're a tiny club south of Munich and went from Bayernleague to Bundesliga (where they got to fame for denying Leverkusen the championship on the last day of the season) and back to the Regional division in a short time. They just got promoted to the 2nd Bundesliga again.

retired_pmetzger1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pmyraje:
When I don't it's usually because I forget (in CM4) - it makes very little difference as I see it though - either you are using your scouts to find players to sign or you aren't. If you are then they will uncover the stats of the player concerned for you to consider to sign and if you aren't, you aren't really playing the LLM way anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My understanding of CM4 is that these will be uncovered slowly, over the course of two or three scoutings. If this is true then it is (one of the few things in CM4 it seems) to be applauded. One of my bugbears with CM3 is that a player will be scouted once and you instantly know everything about them.

In short, there is even more reason to use it in CM4, especially if you solely find players by scouting.

retired_fanam

In Norway the team Stabekk went up from divition 4, correct me if I'm wrong, and is now among the top 7-8 teams in Norway. The last player from the divition 4 team played his last match for the team just a month or so ago...

retired_pmetzger1

Without wishing to sound condescending, you are missing the point somewhat.

This isn't actually about the stats per se, it's about assessing potential players as realistically as possible. In CM, the best way of doing this is via the stats.

In reality players are assessed by clubs on a number of occassions, and may even train with potential purchasers before any decision to purchase is made (look at the players that went from Peterborough to Spurs as an example). Clubs will scout players a number of times (to check consistency amongst other things), and each time they will gain a more rounded picture of a player. The game (not CM3 ) does this by slowly revealing the stats.

No matter how much you trust your scout, if you are looking for a winger and he rates a player as an excellent propspect but he only has crossing of 1, you aint going to sign him.

I stand by my earlier comments, that it is probably unrealistic to sign a player after scouting them once. In CM3 you gain nothing from scouting a player more than once. CM4 has made this more realistic and is a good thing. Whilst some things are subjective I don't see how this one could be argued (but would be quite pleased if it were - debate is healthy ). It's no more likely that a LL manager would spend his entire £20k transfer budget on somebody they've had scouted once than Alex Ferguson spending £3 million on someone he knows next to nothing about.

*whilst writing this I've realised that Sam Allardyce signed a couple of players after only watching them on a video, but this is extreme, risky, and I'm amazed that Bolton's board sanctioned it*

retired_pmetzger1

That's a shame. It surely wouldn't be hard for SI to implement, if it doesn't already happen. If you choose to watch a match (as it takes place, not highlights afterwards) then you should "learn" some of the stats of the players involved. I'm not sure if CM3 does this when you choose to watch an opponents match. I'll check it out tonight.

retired_insjat

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mkus:
My understanding of CM4 is that these will be uncovered slowly, over the course of two or three scoutings. If this is true then it is (one of the few things in CM4 it seems) to be applauded. One of my bugbears with CM3 is that a player will be scouted once and you instantly know everything about them.

In short, there is even more reason to use it in CM4, especially if you solely find players by scouting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This doesn't always happen, I've scouted players and often my scouts will only come back with 6-7 attributes...

By about the 3rd-4th mission nearly all the stats will have been filled in...

Although some players have been fully 'uncovered' after the first scouting, it doesn't always happen in my experience.