KingsbayYHPE

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mkus:
_*waits for iaj to be able to add his twopenneth worth*_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I find that hurtful, mkus. You'll find the huge majority of Scots are totally realistic when it comes to discussion regarding the National Team.

There's an old saying "you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear", and that's what any manager would have to do if they took on Scotland.

We don't have any World Class players. It's a long time since we did.

Craig Brown always managed to get the players to perform adequately in defence, we didn't get beaten often - nor did we win often - but he was a good motivator who got them playing as a Team.

Berti isn't.

What I find ironic is that the English slag off Scotland when their own National Team's pÃ*sh. They manage to scrape together a result against Slovakia and suddenly everything's rosy.

How many games have England survived recently because of Posh's man's dead ball expertise?

On topic:

If you're offered an International job, as opposed to applying for one, then I reckon it's fine to manage both as you've earned it.

retired_insjat

Good stuff as well, ofbg.

I've also seen similar to you where the England manager in my game was the coach at Hayes... He had top notch stats, so I signed him at Everton* before replacing him as England boss... Bit of tension in the dugout no doubt!

*started at Blackpool before I get some grief

Still, drifting off-topic... Although ofbg summed it up perfectly imo.

bodymassindicator

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by old fat bald guy:
We're trying to neutralize the game's inherent bias toward human managers -- which is really the human brain's superiority over the AI currently available in mass-produced games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not sure I agree with this as trying to neutralize the bias toward humans would mean purposely doing all the dumb things that the AI may be doing. Personally I just try to keep it realistic as IRL, and couldn't care less what the computer is doing. I'm avoiding to gain an unfair advantage, but that's just a byproduct of trying to play realistically.

That being said, if there are inherent flaws in the game that are easy to exploit even when playing realistically I stay away from those so I don't spoil all the fun. Luckily I haven't found too many of those flaws - maybe you have and that's where your position is coming from.

retired_google

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Comrade Raspberry:
I have no problems managing a league club and an international side. It has been done before in real life, but not with much success, I think.
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Yeah, Lobanovsky (sp?) was managing Dinamo Kiev and the Ukrainian national team, IIRC.

retired_pmetzger1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
I find that hurtful, mkus. You'll find the huge majority of Scots are totally realistic when it comes to discussion regarding the National Team.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, in my defence, I set little stall by FIFA rankings. Scotland have a good record of qualifying for major international championships, which in my book makes them a major International team (unlike Wales)

In my lifetime, Scotland have been at the majority of World Cups, qualifying from probably the hardest FIFA region when probably they were rarely favourites in their group to do so. I think you do yourself a diservice.

Even now, you find yourself in with a reasonable chance for Euro 2004, given that you have probably the weakest ever World Cup finalists in your group.

retired_pmetzger1

In that case there are very few major teams in the world, but Uruguay are one of them.

&lt;snip&gt;(edited 'cos I really did make myself sound like a twát in that particular sentence). Scotland may not be world cup winners, but they are /were recently a major team IMO.

Lets just agree to disagree.

retired_pmetzger1

sorry

retired_mdibrell

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mkus:
sorry<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not your fault the Scotland is sh1te Mkus, I blame The Old firm for that.

bodymassindicator

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mkus:
Even now, you find yourself in with a reasonable chance for Euro 2004, given that you have probably the weakest ever World Cup finalists in your group.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What's with all the subtle Germany tossing recently? This one-way rivalry (most Germans don't have anything against British people or British football) is so childish. It wasn't their fault they didn't have to play against stronger opponents in the knock-out stages - they all lost to South Korea or didn't make it past the group stage!

On topic: uhh, no, everything has been said.

KingsbayYHPE

It was Graham Souness and David Murray who started the ball rolling. I remember the very week they signed *a then-young future English International Left Back* and Terry Butcher, and I said to the guy I was working with, who was an ardent Hun, that it was the end of Scottish Football as we knew it.

There were always foreign players in Scotland, but the signing of the current England Captain - who signed for the big money, not the quality of football obviously - was unheard of.

Now we just get the rejected shÃ*te of Europe and we have no decent young players to fill the void.