retired_jessieb

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he's trying out lots of different training schedules to try to find out the exact workings of the CM4 training schedule
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But couldn't we say the same about tactics Rek? I've spent a huge about of time fiddling with my tactics in CM3 & 4, just to try and get it right. IMHO, he's just done the same with the training area.

retired_mdibrell

I may be wrong here, but..

Are you saying that you have set up a programm which reads the internal progamming of CM4 which finds "the optimal training regime"?

If so, then that, is as far as I can see cheating, you are trying to beat the progammer not the oppostion.

A bit like exploiting bugs in the system IMHO, like the old "overload centre of midfield, forget the wings tactic" of cm3.

retired_mikateko

I checked out Lyssien's work. He doesn't use an app to analyse that training files. He just runs heaps of tests.

I'd say that you could play LLM, Lyssien, as long as you kept your findings to yourself. One of the ethics of LLM is "no tipping".

As far as point 2 goes, it's no dice.

retired_mikateko

I stand corrected. You're right (rek and seamus).

What Lyssien intends is alright if you're into analysing the game, but it's the antithesis of LLM.

ddong78

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I had a bit of a lookie at what you have done and Lyssien, you have too much time on your hands.

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No, I don't, Taipan. I am actually a graduate student and work 12 hours a day even in the summer with no vacation . But I refrain from sleeping.

Guys, thank you so much for your answers. As I 've read here you know by now what my work on training is (as White Ox said). So the closest to LLM I can get is probably leaving training to the assistant, which honestly will take away my main advantage as a manager, since I am not a good tactician and I don't like buying new players (unless I absolutely have to, in my current non-LLM game I have $45 million for spending and I don't touch it). Also it will take away a major part of the game for me.
Maybe using non-tested training schedules will make things alright?

As far as the use of editor to fight bugs go, I am sorry to hear that it is not acceptable by most (if not all) of you, but when the time comes I will conform to the rules and stay away from it.

Rek,
A good training schedule does make a lot of difference. As I mentioned, it is my main advantage in CM4. I am no good in anything else . But I also have determination

ddong78

That's right, I wouldn't link my work directly here because I would hate to tempt people to see it (I hope I haven't done that already). Some people took a glimpse at it, and that's OK, but people who don't want to challenge their devotion to LLM should stay away from it (or at least, don't study the details).

"I can resist to everything but temptation."
Oscar Wilde

So it seems that in order to wear the LLM badge (which I DO consider it to be a badge of honor by the way) I have to abandon my favorite part of the game in the hands of my Assistant Manager. This really sucks.
Yes, I know, it is up to me to play the game the way I want to, and please believe that I am a serious CM Gamer, even if I will never qualify as an LLM.

But we cannot have everything in life, can we? And that's why being an LLM is honoring, because it's tough.

retired_jessieb

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Heaps of tests with different training schedules is the same as playing loads of games with different tactics to test which is best.
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Point taken Rek.

KingsbayYHPE

I fail to see how any LLaMa could mistake what this guy's doing for anything worthy of being mentioned in the same Country as LLM.

Sometimes I wonder...

RobertHamburger

To be honest your saying that you are now at a disadvantage in the game because your best attribute is your training as you have run so many "tests" and if you use the ass man you loose out, well its just like those numpties from the TT forum who find a super tactic and then win everything with it.......

this doesnt happen in real life, there is no perfect tactic, no perfect training regime, and no perfect manager. The fact that you have done this "testing" means that you are just resorting to the same level as those who have to use "super tactics" to play the game, i understand that you have done it for a reason but is the reason very naive, as soon as you "know too much" in this game, or use the fact that it is a game, you just cheat yourself out of £25.

However each to their own and you always entitled to play the game the way you want to

ddong78

BigHairyGoat,
The algorithms are used to create promising schedules. They sometimes work, they sometimes don't (and that's why I also do testing by running the game on Holiday Mode). They don't always work, since training is really more complex than I can understand.
But now I have gained so much experience in testing schedules, that even if I create a schedule without using an algorithm, it is bound to end up pretty good (although certainly not perfect). So people in here are probably right, I can either leave the training to the Assistant or it won't be LLM.

Iajafer,
I opened this thread to ask for opinions and advice, since I am not an experienced LLM as most of you are. The answers I got were logical and constructive, so I can see nothing wrong with people replying here. I am sorry if I have misunderstood your last post.

lloydrees,
Super training is very different to super tactics. It just helps players improve, and we are not talking about MASSIVE improvements. It doesn't win matches directly.
Unfortunately I cannot explain here the reasons why I started doing my research on training, because then I would be breaking the LLM forum rules. I have explained the reasons in the Training Tips forum. I am sorry I cannot be more descriptive. And no, I don't think I am cheating myself.

Once again, thanks for all your answers, when I first posted this thread I was afraid that I was going to be "burnt" in no time.