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Old 07-26-2003, 03:19 PM   getting promoted too early Post #1
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player naming....let the burning begin
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Old 07-26-2003, 03:23 PM   getting promoted too early Post #2
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Lay off him. It's a mistake anyone can make, didn't you in your first post, btw?

Promotion's always the thing to aim for, it's the only way you'll get your Team to fulfill its' potential.

If you get promoted too many times in too few seasons, relatively, it is possible to leave your reputation trailing behind, but the benefits far outweigh the pitfalls.

Have a read at the Forum Header and lay off the player naming, and when you've done that, Welcome to LLM :cool:
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Old 07-26-2003, 03:45 PM   getting promoted too early Post #3
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Aye, the CaleyJags are a bit big to be called LLM, but you can always work your way down.

Good to see a fellow Jambo in LLM, btw :cool:
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Old 07-26-2003, 04:26 PM   getting promoted too early Post #4
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I tried to sign Pooh Bear too, but he wanted more pots of honey than I could afford.

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Old 07-26-2003, 07:45 PM   getting promoted too early Post #5
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I disagree to a certain extent. There are examples IRL where clubs were worse off after promotion. In Germany for example, St. Pauli and SSV Ulm both weren't really "ready" for the Bundesliga and suffered successive relegations afterwards.

The problem was that in both cases they were relegated quickly the next year and the good players and promising youngsters were picked up by bigger clubs (after they used the year in the top flight to showcase their talents) and the others were probably crap to begin with or just lost their confidence.

Pauli is now in the Regional division, Ulm even in the Oberliga. Both are in debt and have no good players left. With a better management you can probably avoid the total crash, but you have to be somewhat "ready" so losing a few players doesn't break your neck.

Of course, that's real life which CM doesn't model perfectly. I always strive for promotion and try hard to make sure I get some cash for the players I lose.
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Old 07-26-2003, 11:32 PM   getting promoted too early Post #6
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dynamo Wilko:
There is no such thing as getting promoted too early. It's just an excuse that covers relegation next season.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? You see that all time time in real life. Teams with (most often) a very young team is getting promoted and relegates the next season. Lots of examples in low divisions in Norway btw.

Then you can start thinking if the team would have been good to stay in their former division one more season, to get more experience.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:15 AM   getting promoted too early Post #7
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Not always, as I tried to point out earlier. 3 consecutive seasons in the same division = better than 1st season promoted, 2nd and 3rd season consecutive relegations.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:36 AM   getting promoted too early Post #8
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Always better to go up. Staying in the lower division deliberately is poofy, cowardly, and totally unrealistic.

Can you imagine a manager saying to his board "Sorry Guv, I'm holding the boys back this year 'cos I'm scared we can't make it in the higher division"

Would the reply be:

a) Good idea. The lads could do with another season playing to low gates against crap.
b) Oh never mind. We never thought of ourselves as any better than this
c) Here's your P.45, you ARSE!!!

I know what I'm putting my money on.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:50 AM   getting promoted too early Post #9
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As a stags fan (We beat you in the last game of last season to ensure we got auto-pomotion) then came down with you I agree, the season in div2 has really helped the team, and showed up watkiss as out of his depths.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:57 AM   getting promoted too early Post #10
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If memory serves, I think there was a discussion about this a month or so back. In any case, if we're talking about real life, I agree with Dale. The gap between divisions (at least in the English and German league) is quite large. This is especially true between PL and Div 1, as the PL money is much larger than Div 1 money.

If we're talking about CM, then my promotion experience is limited. However, it seems to me that the gap between divisions is not as large as IRL. In addition, I think there are too many good or capable players that your scouts can find at cheap prices (if you're in Div 3 and up, and if you're not being suffocated by debts). So, the chance of survival (say, mid table) in the new division is quite good. In this respect, it is better to get promoted in CM.
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