Dar2000

It has been brought up many times on the forums that young players future development is already determined on FM because of there PA(Potential Ability) stat, no matter how good their coaches are. There have been discussions to possibly change this approach for future FM games. I certainly think that PA should be scrapped and possibly also CA(Current Ability).

By removing these stats from the game and using more realistic attributes I think it could greatly improve the realism of FM.

Im not talking about changing the current system of 1-20, but that the values of each attribute have a higher impact on performance the lower the level(division or reputation of league) the player is playing in. For example a striker with finishing, technique and composure of '8' in the 3rd division might bag 30 goals a season, but unless trained by a good striking coach to improve his attributes would really struggle in the 1st division.

My suggestion is that for players to succeed at certain levels they must require high enough attributes in key areas. Lets use the English Leagues as an example.

For a player to be a good/top player in:
The Premiership
'14-20' (At this level high Technical Attributes are essential)

The Championship
'11-16'

League One
'7-12'

League Two and Below
'3-8'

Obviously the reputation of each league comes into play aswel. The big three, England, Spain and Italy would all have similar structures, then Germany, France, Holland, Portugal would require slightly less in their respective divisions and so on.

You could also go a step further and in the data have a stat that rates each nations style of play. Eg. Spain is considered to attrct a higher number of technically gifted players, where as England would have fewer technically gifted players but more physical and better tacklers, and Italian teams known to have superior defences to any other european teams.

This would also make European games more realistic because atm, I think the game favours physical attributes more than technical which is why English teams win the European cups too often.

This system would mean attributes are changing up and down on a weekly basis depending on confidence, morale, training, personal problems, injuries, motivation, relationship with manager/team mates. Irl, all these without doubt have temporary, if not longer, affects on players abilities

For me this could solve the problem of a lack of quality regens and place more emphises on training and scouting, particularly of young players from lower divisions, whereas at the moment, it's impossible for a young player in the third division to ever progress unless his PA is set high. I also find that when managing a top club, say Man Utd, you can send scouts out to Africa, Asia, Scandinavia and specify you are looking for players under 20 only for your scout to find none. However by doing a manual search, I always find young players with potential in their attributes but deep down I know they will never make it at a high level because the scouts in the game are looking for the PA

I also think it's time for height and weight to become a realistic factor, and not just cosmetic text. I often see 15 year old regen center backs who are 6'3, while not impossible, most teens have a growth spurt at 18,19,20. Young players body's change so much which can have a huge affect on their footballing abilities.

I hope I have put my points across well. I found it more difficult than I thought to explain what I was thinking. Please let me know what you think and continue to add suggestions.

Thanks

stumostro

Another post where people think that everyone can be trained to be perfect!!!

There are certain things where you can't get any better hence to code a game correctly you need to give it a boundary hence PA.

mitja

:thup: :thup: :thup:

just don't agree on changing attributes on weekly basis. that's not realistic. then form and moral wouldn't important anymore...I hope this makes sense.

Jay The Sheriff

I'm with stumostro on this one, not everybody can be trained to be a top flight player, even if they have the best coaches in the world. Having the PA there means that only the players IRL that do have the potential (as highlighed by the researchers) excel in the game.

mitja

lol

mitja

if someone has finishing 5 at age of 18, how the .... can he have 20 at any age.

mitja

not to mention that of CA/PA system you constantly get unrealisticly over rated players.

ex. look at aimar or djourou on editor and then in the game. you'll see every atribute is higher by 2 points in the game. that's becouse CA is more important then his atributes. I can't believe SI didn't sort it long time ago.

without CA/PA system, everything would be more realistic, you would have to gamble with transfers.....it's so stupid to have realy "promising" 18 year old kid but you just know he want be any good becouse his PA sucks, common...

stumostro

That was the point i was making!!

stumostro

Don't look at the PA then!!! That way its still a gamble!!!

mitja

I'm so tired of disccusing this metter, so I won't.

I told everything I had to up there. the only smart argument you can give me is that, the game needs this system, for now. and I can accept it. but it's not realistic