retired_coffeebabe

Take a look at the results of the following clubs:

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None of these teams won more than 4/16 in these games and it's a similar story in the games before these. Villa are bottom the premiership and O'Neil has money to spend. Southampton are newly relegated but surely would have expected a promotion push (have since made a bit of a recovery), Tranmere are second bottom and have lost 11/16 and Watford waited until they were 22nd before sacking Martin Allen. These are the most extreme examples I could find (there are others) yet clubs seem incredibly reluctant to sack managers who are underperforming massively, despite the RL culture of success at all costs - this season there have been 23 chnages at the point in the season I'm at, compared to none/very few in FM. Add to this the fact that around 10 managers were rumoured to be on their way out in the summer, guess how many didn't get their contracts renenwed? Not one. The prosecution rests.

retired_mssa007

Now the anti-evidence

02.07.2008 - Manchester United - Javier Aguirre SACKED

05.12.2015 - Manchester United - Steve Bruce SACKED

26.12.2017 - Manchester United - Huub Stevens SACKED

17.03.2018 - Manchester United - Michael Laudrup SACKED

30.03.2018 - Manchester United - Khalid Boulahrouz SACKED

14.07.2020 - Manchester United - Frank Lampard SACKED

21.02.2021 - Manchester United - Hugo Sanchez SACKED

retired_rosarags

.... Khalid Boulahrouz and Frank Lampard Man U managers??? who is the current one? John Terry??

retired_coffeebabe

I think the top clubs are perhaps a little too trigger happy, Eriksson and Ramos went very early in my game. But the rest of the clubs very rarely change managers, compare that to people like Sammy Lee and Sam Allardyce, Billy Davies, Lawrie Sanchez who got sacked for doing very little wrong in a short space of time. And as for your example, 7 managers in 13 seasons isn't that bad considering Utd expect to be winning trophies every season, and the shadow of Ferguson.

retired_mssa007

It's actually 11 managers in 13 seasons, as I didn't mention :

Alex Ferguson RETIRED
Steve Coppell RESIGNED
Steve McLaren RESIGNED
Marcelino CURRENT BOSS

I'll take a look at some other Prem clubs once I've finished messing about on my Wii. Lol.

retired_dinalb

Ya Ibrahim, are you sure?

retired_coffeebabe

Ferguson doesn't count, he's been know to be retiring for years. Laudrup shouldn't really count either, for that short a period of time you'd assume it was a personal thing. And from the looks of it there was a 7 year spell without a change, even if McLaren and Coppell were in charge then it's not too bad.

retired_mssa007

Steve Coppell managed for four years. Thats the longest stretch since Ferguson.

retired_coffeebabe

Even so, you're missing the point. You're just looking at one club which has special circumstances beyond the vast majority of clubs. I'm looking at the other 95 league clubs + non league, and a handful of sackings (if that) by mid december is not realistic.

retired_coffeebabe

Er, make that 91 league clubs.