retired_charlottemiller

Hello Everyone,

Firstly, I'd like to say a big thankyou to the people who posted under any of the threads under the tactic bible, very useful stuff in there. Cleon especially - your a star. I usually looked aon these boards for a tactic to download, try out - if it worked, i'd stick with it... so I decided to make one myself. I love 433's and the threat they pose so I went to work...

Just looking for a bit of advice really. I've built my own tactic - it's a 4-3-3, looks like this:

FL----> FC <-----FR



MC MC MC
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DL - DC - DC - DR
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GK

The 2 full backs have barrows. The central MC has a barrow, only slight. I then have a FR and FL - with 2 sarrows towards the FC. I have the 'Counter Attack' ticked. Target man supply is 'Run Onto Ball' - but I haven't ticked the 'Use Target Man' Option, just dropped my FC as the target man.

All Forwards are set to close down heavily (FR: 15, FL:15 & FC: 18). Defensive line is 7 - so i invite pressure to me. DMC is set to stay back and help the back 4 - as you can guess with the defence - they are only there to defend, and I've limited their creative freedom - same with the DMC. So basically i want 5 people defending, and 5 players going forward.

But, i've only played a handful of games, and it seems very promising - but I need some help with the tactic itself. The 2 MC's just don't seem to be doing enough for me so far - if anyone can help with any recommendations for them, it would be a great help.

Also, defence could be stronger - I'm thinking to move the defensive line to 5 - as goals seems to be me hit on the break.

Thoughts appreciated...

Should I post tactic itself or screenshots?

Mike

retired_infinite_dreams

I have made a 4-3-3 tactic that I think works very well. Seem to be very solid for defence, and also score alot of goals. So i can try to helt you out a bit.

But what exactly do you mean by "The 2 MC's just don't seem to be doing enough for me so far"?

Do you want them to be more involved in the attack or is it in the defending part they lack?

retired_charlottemiller

Thanks for a quick reply, Zenith!

I think they are maybe too close together, but its important they are MC's - due to the players at chelsea.

I've posetd the formation, team instructions, and both MC instructions (not the defensive one.

I'd be interested to learn from your defense - as mine does seem a bit dodgy! Do you want the screen shots for all 4?

Screenshots:









anyones help / thoughts are appreciated.

retired_charlottemiller

Also - please see instructions below for all 4 defenders, and the central defensive minded midfielder...

Left Back


Right Back


Centre Back (right sided)


Centre Back (Left Sided)

retired_CardonaR

One thing I would do with Chelsea is attack. Most teams will be defending heavily against you, so you need to play a high tempo direct attacking game, but with a cautious backline so you're not hit on the break.

Sure, this is far from how Chelsea play in real life. But this is the game, and it's largely about numbers and statistics. And Chelsea have very good numbers and statistics

retired_infinite_dreams

Ok i will give you some thoughts on the player inteructions, this is just my personal view and others may not agree with me on this.

Well lets start with the defensive line.

I think the fullbacks look good, perhaps you could up their mentality a bit to get them in a position higher up the field, this will make them close down the opponent earlier and if they miss the centerback can cover up for them. I think the clowsing down on the fullbacks is find, i like to have my fullbacks closing down higher then the rest of the defenders so they go up to win balls at the flank early and if they miss the central defender can cover up for them.

One thing that hits me when looking at the centerbacks is that one is on very low mentality and the other one has a normal mentality. This should get the effect that they dont play in line and is very exposed to the space that is created between them. Perhaps a better setting would be to set one to a mentality around 4-5 and the other about 6-7, this way one will play a bit infront of the other but they dont leave so much space between them for the opposition to use. The closing down for the defenders perhaps is a bit high, you could have the problem that they close down to early and get caught out of position, one thing to test if you have problems with this is to lower the closing down for one of them to around 4-5 and the other around 7-8. In my tactic i have the defender with higher mentality to have the higer closing down.

Now to the midfield

Depending on the style of your play there is two options you can have on the midfielders, either you have a high closing down for them to win the ball back early and keep possession, or to let them back of a bit and then close down as the opponent get closer to the area. The first one is the one i should use if i play a possession style football, for example a slow short passing style. Problem with this having your central midfielders on high closing down is that they can get drawn out to the flank leaving a hole in the middle for the opposition to exploit. The second way to let them back of a bit is the one i should use if i played a direct counter attack style of football. This way you let your opponent get onto you before you try to win the ball and switch from defence to attack. So your setting of mixed closing down should be good for the counter attack style you like to play.

One thing you could to to make the formation a bit more defensive is to give your FL and FR barrows into the AML and AMR, this way you make them back down a bit when you dont have the ball. Having them in the FL and FR position when you dont have the ball will leave your flanks very unguarded and the opponents can exploit this.

Well this was just some thoughts i had.

retired_charlottemiller

Zenith - thanks for that!

Defence was my main worry - I'm going to reduce the mentality like you suggest, one to 4, one to 7 - and also take the closing down... down! I wanted the defence to sit back - so it makes sense to do this.

Midfield: I like to play counter attack football, definatley. So I'll peg down the 2 mc's closing down a bit as I have noticed a bit of minor stretching there.

I think i'll leave the forward line as it is, it works very very well, they all play off eachother and for some reason, even though the target man option isnt ticked but shevchenko is set as the target man - the FR & FL really play well with him!

As I'm playing counter-attacking - do you think in my team instructions should be changed to a direct style passing... at the moment you'll see it's on mixed!

retired_infinite_dreams

Well when i use my away tactic that is based on counter attack, i have the team's passing style set to direct, around 14-15 on the scale. I also focus play down the flanks and play a bit wider then normal.

retired_charlottemiller

Ok - worth a thought.

I might leave it on Mixed with the defensive and midfield changes first, don;t want to change too much in one go!

Do you change to another tactic on away games?

Im thinking of an away version, same shape - maybe the barrows on the FR & FL's like you suggested - and toning mentalities down - what do you recommend to change for an away tactic?

retired_infinite_dreams

I try to play a possession type of football at home, where i look to outplay my oponent by dictating the play. When i go away and meet strong sides i play a counter attack style. The two tactics is very different. If you want to read about it i have a thread here about my tactics.

My 4-3-3 Formation