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Old 01-29-2008, 01:21 PM   Match Analsys: Stat Selective Highlights Post #1
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Playing FM tonight, again I got struck with frustration with the lack of options in analysing matches. Watching full matches seems to be the only way to pick up tactical problems, key or extended highlights seem to hide any errors.

Match stats seem to be rather limited and wish we could get more detailed information such as possession by position, detailed passing statistics (types of passes, distribution etc) and presented in a pie chart format. Stats really need to be prettied up in the game, more graphs are good.

Anyway, getting to my main point. I really feel the need to have the option to selectively view highlights based on a particular player and/or types of plays. An example would be looking at your teams stat page for a match and clicking on your striker's shots entry and viewing all his shot attempts at goal or only the ones on target. Same would be for assists, seeing how a particular player assisted with a goal.

This kind of selective highlight viewing could be linked to all the other player stats as well, such as reviewing only headers, interceptions, tackles, runs, offsides, crosses etc.

Switching to the Match Stats page would allow you to view all the team highlights for a partical stat if you so wished. Clicking on your teams Off Target shots would just show snippets of the highlights of all your players who had shots at goal but couldnt get them on target. Naturally you could view the same for the opposition if desired.

Basically, all this comes down to giving us as players the ability to review our matches in more detail because what we have available us at the moment feels limiting and somehow incomplete.

Another feature I feel matches need is some kind of tactical change audit trail for your team, which could be just inserted into the match reports. It would be very handy to reviewing past matches and keeping track of what changes were made, then you would have some kind of anchor point to help analyse if your tactical change had much impact on the game afterwards.

Those are the main things I think FM really needs to improve the analysis of matches because it just doesn't seem to progressing anywhere in this department.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:23 PM   Match Analsys: Stat Selective Highlights Post #2
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Bah...would any kind mod please correct my spelling mistake in the subject...should be analysis :o
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:00 PM   Match Analsys: Stat Selective Highlights Post #3
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This is actually a very interesting idea and there is a simple way of doing it. If the match report has a filter, then you would be able to filter by player and/or incident type. So you could check all your striker's off target shots for example.

Would be great for scouting too.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:31 PM   Match Analsys: Stat Selective Highlights Post #4
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Holy Highlight, Batman!

:thup:, that's a brilliant idea, and, to my shock and amazement, one I haven't read before!!

I think the other thing which would be nice is the ability to watch a saved match on "Full" highlight mode. We know its all calculable from the RNG seed and tactical adjustments. That way, if you have the "Wow, twenty minutes went by without a highlight" experience, you could go back and *find* that twenty minutes, and watch all of it, and see that oh, all my attacks were breaking down because .. X .. and try to fix it later.

It would be really helpful, I suspect, for people who like to play on Key highlights but then get frustrated.

The "Tactical Change audit trail" idea is also quite good, standing on its own as a very useful concept.
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to tell you the truth I would still find it easier to just watch full match
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:10 PM   Match Analsys: Stat Selective Highlights Post #6
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to tell you the truth I would still find it easier to just watch full match
I guess there will be some people that still prefer watching full games but feel we need some better options for reviewing games by.
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:thup: Excellent idea Powermonger.

I would go one step further and posted so in the wishlist. The ability to watch matches already played like they are a dvd/video recording. In other words instead of having only the ability to look at highlights I could fast forward/rewind to any point in the match.

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Basically, all this comes down to giving us as players the ability to review our matches in more detail because what we have available us at the moment feels limiting and somehow incomplete.
:thup: Nail on head.

As it stands if I really want to analyse my tactic I have to play the match, save the match and then exit the game. Then view the match itself and do so in a step by step increments. Not only that if I want to see a specific point where something looked wrong but it wasn't in the match report it is tedious to find it. I have to make a note of the time, exit again, select view match then watch on full match and stop the clock just as it gets close to the point I want to analyse.

I suspect there is a specific reason for not being able to do this but it would be nice to hear the reason why. As I've said before if the intention of SI is that part of the experience is figuring out the sliders and where tactics go wrong then give us the tools to do so.

At the moment it is very time consuming and tedious.

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Another feature I feel matches need is some kind of tactical change audit trail for your team, which could be just inserted into the match reports. It would be very handy to reviewing past matches and keeping track of what changes were made, then you would have some kind of anchor point to help analyse if your tactical change had much impact on the game afterwards.
Another great idea and would be time saving for those of us that go old school with a pen and paper. But let me throw a little curve ball at you about that idea. It comes down to the fine line SI walk in the 'usability' vs 'realism' argument. In real life managers probably pen and paper all of their changes/instructions too as it comes from them. Whether or not they input it into a computer who knows.

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An example would be looking at your teams stat page for a match and clicking on your striker's shots entry and viewing all his shot attempts at goal or only the ones on target. Same would be for assists, seeing how a particular player assisted with a goal.
The cynic in me wonders if SI refrain from this type of charting as it might reveal flaws in the match engine (I don't mean bugs but the difficulty in creating variety in a computer simulation which exists in real life football) too readily as well as any repetitive patterns in game play.
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