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Old 01-30-2008, 01:16 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #11
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Thanks for some constructive responses.

When I say an "all new version" of course I don't mean overhauling everything but rather a version which introduces significant match engine changes. By FM standards that makes it "all new" because we are used to cosmetic changes like media interaction and 'fan days'.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:17 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #12
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Not a chance.

Can you imagine the amount of problems that an entirely new game would create?

Similarly, look at Fifa or CM, if there was a better way to do FM, EA would surely have the R&D team to figure it out...

All that needs to be done is an evolution of the current version - no drastic overhaul is needed to any one area.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:18 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #13
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Tactical sliders - not one person who says they should be replaced has come up with even a remotely good alternative, let alone a better alternative.

Set piece editor - isn't going to happen any time soon bacuse it would give the human managers a massive advantage over the AI. It would need an absolutely massive amount of work to get it working right, and an even larger amount of work to get the AI using it properly.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:19 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #14
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Set piece designer I agree with, but I can't agree with anything else.
For Set Pieces, even just positional view of how our chosen set piece configuration will look like would be enough. It's annoying to have to wait until match day to see how your players are going to arranged.

I'm going to go against the trend so far and say 'Yes' however. The whole game surrounding tactics and matches is feeling rather stale and old and needs an injection of creativity. Six iterations of the current system is a long time in software terms to not have any changes made.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:21 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #15
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If you're going to fanboy can you at least give some constructive reasons to back up a "no". I mean the onus is surely on the game to constantly improve rather than remain static.

Honestly there are so many things that can be improved to make the game more realistic and involving. The training module should be more integrated with matchday tactical module so that a particular tactic or pressing style you worked on in training can be pulled off during the match. These are fundamental aspects necessary for a realistic simulation, not just cosmetic changes.
ffs all i said was "no" and i am fanboy now? the entry level is getting lower all the time.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:23 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #16
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I'm glad linking training to tactics has been mentioned. I was going to drop the very same idea in the wishlist thread.

Should be able to tell your coach/s who are responsible for tactics in training what your main formation and tactical preferences are, and then secondary ones.
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Tactic 1 - 4-4-2 - Fast Tempo, Direct Passing. Attacking Style.

Tactic 2 - 4-1-4-1 - slow tempo, high closing down. Defensive style.

Tactic 3 - 3-3-4 - Fast tempo, long ball, all out attack.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:26 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #17
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All that needs to be done is an evolution of the current version - no drastic overhaul is needed to any one area.
I can't see the slider system disappearing anytime soon but what is required is a change to all the other stuff surrounding the tactics, such as more indepth match statistics and graphs for analysis, selectable highlights of specific events (off target shots only, tackles, crosses etc), more input from your assistant manager in assessing your teams or oppisitions performance during a match. Really, enhancements that tie back to tactics better so it's not too difficult to comprehend and made just a little more accessable.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:33 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #18
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Nah i like FM the way it is. I'd buy FM every year it comes out bugs or no bugs because its the best football manager sim imo.

Why fix something thats not broke.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:33 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #19
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Just looking at this issue off the top of my head.

New skin.
New best eleven feature.
New tactical feature (opposition instructions).
New Transfer Centre screen.
New coach report system.
New Assistant reports screen.
New player match rating system...

To be honest I could go on and on listing differences between FM07 & FM08. You want changes in the ME and of course there has been HUGE change in that too. Let's be honest, there is an enormous difference in the way the match engine works between FM08 patches never mind about FM07 and FM08.

Call me old fashioned, but I want absolutely nothing new in FM09.

Absoluteabloominflippinnothing.

Instead I want them to look at the existing features that they've already implemented and I want them to "do them to death".

I want Affiliated clubs to be just that, (not feeders).

I want more control over set-piece instructions without having the..... (can't remember what the with/without the ball feature used to be called).

I want national structures to have their reputation linked to Continental coefficients.

I want the Ass Man to do a job that is at least similar to that which he does in real life.

I want my GK being sent off to be a key highlight.

There is sooooo much that SI could improve without adding one single new feature to the game and I for one hope that they get what is already in the game right before introducing something for those customers who are too [text removed to assist with the controlling of Jimbo's blood pressue and to avoid countless tit for tat posts].
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:36 AM   Is it time for an all new version of the game to be released, and not just another data update and a couple of new cosmetic features? Post #20
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Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
Just looking at this issue off the top of my head.

New skin.
New best eleven feature.
New tactical feature (opposition instructions).
New Transfer Centre screen.
New coach report system.
New Assistant reports screen.
New player match rating system...

To be honest I could go on and on listing differences between FM07 & FM08. You want changes in the ME and of course there has been HUGE change in that too. Let's be honest, there is an enormous difference in the way the match engine works between FM08 patches never mind about FM07 and FM08.

Call me old fashioned, but I want absolutely nothing new in FM09.

Absoluteabloominflippinnothing.

Instead I want them to look at the existing features that they've already implemented and I want them to "do them to death".

I want Affiliated clubs to be just that, (not feeders).

I want more control over set-piece instructions without having the..... (can't remember what the with/without the ball feature used to be called).

I want national structures to have their reputation linked to Continental coefficients.

I want the Ass Man to do a job that is at least similar to that which he does in real life.

I want my GK being sent off to be a key highlight.

There is sooooo much that SI could improve without adding one single new feature to the game and I for one hope that they get what is already in the game right before introducing something for those customers who are too [text removed to assist with the controlling of Jimbo's blood pressue and to avoid countless tit for tat posts].
Said something along these lines myself not too long ago, all i want for christmas is a fixed FM08 lol

Stuff the new faetures, it can wait until FM10, just give us a finished game.
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