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Some PPM like cut infield or comes deep to get ball cannot be achieved by tactical instructions but why shouldn't they? Granted those with natural tendencies may do better at them and do them more often but the ability to specify some of those ppm as instructions should be present. Obviously they shouldn't be called preferred moves. We can call them extra instructions or something.
I'm saying that some of those "moves" that are currently labeled as PPM can be use as tactical instructions. Obviously you can't call them "preferred moves" if it is not a natural tendency but an instruction.
I mean, why can't I ask a player to cut infield more often, or hug the line, or move into channel, or arrive late in the box?
I'm saying that some of those "moves" that are currently labeled as PPM can be use as tactical instructions. Obviously you can't call them "preferred moves" if it is not a natural tendency but an instruction.
I mean, why can't I ask a player to cut infield more often, or hug the line, or move into channel, or arrive late in the box?
like i bet on certain days a manger will tell his player to "cut inside alot" for whatever reason or "drop into space" whether or not they like to do it or not.
I think that it's a wonderful idea and something I have been thinking about for a long time now. This would absolutely eliminate some of the ambiguity with regards to the sliders. Using this 'specific' method of giving instructions is a lot more desirable than having to unlock the mystery. It's black or it's white. Football is a simple game. It's about time the tactics in FM matched it.
Let's take the example of overlapping fullbacks. Why not just have a box that says 'overlap winger'? People are still unsure as how to do this. "Play wide" they say, "Place arrows on your fullbacks" they say. "Put the mentality up" they say. Whatever method you use, it's not easy to get them to overlap. You can get them going forward, but it's hard to get them to overlap. Trust me, I've tried it. If it's not that obvious how to do it then there's a problem, right? We shouldn't have to experiment with all these variables just to get a full back to do one of the most basic moves in football. Just have a box that says 'Overlap the winger'. That's all we need.
I could go on with numerous examples, but you get the point.
Originally posted by bean feast:
I think that it's a wonderful idea and something I have been thinking about for a long time now. This would absolutely eliminate some of the ambiguity with regards to the sliders. Using this 'specific' method of giving instructions is a lot more desirable than having to unlock the mystery. It's black or it's white. Football is a simple game. It's about time the tactics in FM matched it.
Let's take the example of overlapping fullbacks. Why not just have a box that says 'overlap winger'? People are still unsure as how to do this. "Play wide" they say, "Place arrows on your fullbacks" they say. "Put the mentality up" they say. Whatever method you use, it's not easy to get them to overlap. You can get them going forward, but it's hard to get them to overlap. Trust me, I've tried it. If it's not that obvious how to do it then there's a problem, right? We shouldn't have to experiment with all these variables just to get a full back to do one of the most basic moves in football. Just have a box that says 'Overlap the winger'. That's all we need.
I could go on with numerous examples, but you get the point.
I think creative freedom should increase the chance that the player will use his PPM , also, quick tempo.
I think that it's a wonderful idea and something I have been thinking about for a long time now. This would absolutely eliminate some of the ambiguity with regards to the sliders. Using this 'specific' method of giving instructions is a lot more desirable than having to unlock the mystery. It's black or it's white. Football is a simple game. It's about time the tactics in FM matched it.
How would it eliminate some of the ambiguity towards the sliders exactly? All I can see it doing is adding more confusion, as it won't tell you nothing different about the sliders...The sliders are not complexed at all, they do exactly what they say they do. All this talk of confusion etc is kinda silly, if people read the manual or the description of the slider in game, then its pretty obvious. If they fail to understand this, then adding more options is not the answer
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I think creative freedom should increase the chance that the player will use his PPM
Cleon: What beanfeast is saying is that if he wants his fullbacks to overlap with his wingers, there is no clear way of instructing your fbs to do so. The manual, to my knowledge, does not say at any point, 'If you want your full backs to overlap with your wingers, set their sliders like so." nor do any of the sliders directly correlate to overlapping.
People's complaints about sliders have always stemmed from the fact that they make certain tactical instructions (like, for example, overlapping) more difficult than should be necessary to implement. There is no slider (or box to check) for overlapping, so all you can do is experiment with width, farrows, etc. to get the results you're looking for, but this gets there by a roundabout way. Isn't it easier to simply instruct fbs directly to overlap if that's what you want? There is no way to do this, directly and unambiguously, with the slider system and tactical screen as presently constructed.
The sliders, in and of themselves, are uncomplicated, but there is a wide range of tactical instructions that players want to give their team that are outside the range of what the sliders provide. Obv. the limitations of programming ensure that we aren't offered an infinite array of tactical possibilities to choose from, but point is that in some cases, there are obvious tactical instructions that people want to use, but which fall outside the range of what is offered by the sliders.
Each year FM gets better at giving us more tactical options -- opp instructions in 07 is a perfect example. But it can get better still.
Originally posted by bflaff:
Cleon: What beanfeast is saying is that if he wants his fullbacks to overlap with his wingers, there is no clear way of instructing your fbs to do so. The manual, to my knowledge, does not say at any point, 'If you want your full backs to overlap with your wingers, set their sliders like so." nor do any of the sliders directly correlate to overlapping.
People's complaints about sliders have always stemmed from the fact that they make certain tactical instructions (like, for example, overlapping) more difficult than should be necessary to implement. There is no slider (or box to check) for overlapping, so all you can do is experiment with width, farrows, etc. to get the results you're looking for, but this gets there by a roundabout way. Isn't it easier to simply instruct fbs directly to overlap if that's what you want? There is no way to do this, directly and unambiguously, with the slider system and tactical screen as presently constructed.
The sliders, in and of themselves, are uncomplicated, but there is a wide range of tactical instructions that players want to give their team that are outside the range of what the sliders provide. Obv. the limitations of programming ensure that we aren't offered an infinite array of tactical possibilities to choose from, but point is that in some cases, there are obvious tactical instructions that people want to use, but which fall outside the range of what is offered by the sliders.
Each year FM gets better at giving us more tactical options -- opp instructions in 07 is a perfect example. But it can get better still.
I agree there needs to be and there will in future versions. But this is what PPM's are for, to allow players the freedom to use these now, without the extra options.
Too many new options in 1 go is not the way forward and would only get people more confused.
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