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Old 11-08-2006, 10:41 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #501
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From skimming through just a short conclusion of closing down.

If you are playing wide, it is important to keep closing down low so they keep in position. So maybe all players under 10.

Although if you are playing narrow, then important to move out your position and win ball, therefore all players with closing down over 10.

Just a short conclusion?
As far as I can tell, it is the opposite.

Wide and deep D-line = high CD

Narrow and high D-line = low CD

That is what I have been working from anyway.
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:11 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #502
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WOW. SS in case someone hasn't already informed you, GF'S are there to be engaged with. They aren't just like a Van Gough painting, where you stand there admiring them.

From skimming through just a short conclusion of closing down.

If you are playing wide, it is important to keep closing down low so they keep in position. So maybe all players under 10.

Although if you are playing narrow, then important to move out your position and win ball, therefore all players with closing down over 10.

Just a short conclusion?
Mmm, I have been thinking the same thing lately, and Im experimenting with it at the moment
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:15 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #503
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As far as I can tell, it is the opposite.

Wide and deep D-line = high CD

Narrow and high D-line = low CD

That is what I have been working from anyway.
Im experimenting with the cd for the outer players (FB/wingers), because when playing narrow they tend to move into the pitch, leaving room for wingers to come forward.

But I cant say if youre right or not... From the little testing Ive been doing on this, I cant really come to any conclusion.
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:15 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #504
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WOW. SS in case someone hasn't already informed you, GF'S are there to be engaged with. They aren't just like a Van Gough painting, where you stand there admiring them.
And lose some precious time that could be used to find your new tactical masterpiece?? Nonsense, i say!!


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Old 11-08-2006, 11:29 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #505
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ntfc:
WOW. SS in case someone hasn't already informed you, GF'S are there to be engaged with. They aren't just like a Van Gough painting, where you stand there admiring them.
And lose some precious time that could be used to find your new tactical masterpiece?? Nonsense, i say!!


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Which is exactly why I found a girlfriend who lives 3 hrs away by car..
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:53 PM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #506
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Supersaint, you made my day!

Employed your 6 tactics theories to my own tactics and the results are amazing!

Nice play, tight defense and scoring goals...

Thank you!
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:12 AM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #507
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Supersaint, you made my day!

Employed your 6 tactics theories to my own tactics and the results are amazing!

Nice play, tight defense and scoring goals...

Thank you!
Well, thank you.. but you should also thank wwfan for it, as it was him that originally come up with it.. Im only testing out his theories
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:15 AM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #508
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Bademesteren:
Supersaint, you made my day!

Employed your 6 tactics theories to my own tactics and the results are amazing!

Nice play, tight defense and scoring goals...

Thank you!
Well, thank you.. but you should also thank wwfan for it, as it was him that originally come up with it.. Im only testing out his theories </BLOCKQUOTE>

You are being too modest. The multi-flavoured tactics are just a reworking of the TT&F '06 approach. The D-line and Closing Down mirroring is all your own work!!
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:20 AM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #509
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I have been implementing the tactics suggestion that Supersaints had created regarding mirroring the D Line Tempo etc but have had the following results with my Bristol City season 1:

Pre-season
A Hucknell W 11-1
A Welling W 10-0
A York D 1-1
A Bury W 2-0
A Burton W 3-0
A Carshalton W 9-0
H West Brom D 1-1

League
H L Orient D 1-1
H Bournemouth W 1-0
A Northampton D 0-0
A S****horpe L 1-0
A Notts Co. L 3-2aet League Cup 1st Round

Now although in the friendlies it was against weak opposition we had turned most of the shots that we had into goals. The problem arising now is that we are only having an avg of 4-6 shots per game with 50% on target which is quite worrying.

A big big question and subsequently I am a bit confused on is the D Line setting. I have been following the suggestion from Supersaint and it is working ok but surley when playing at home against a defensive side you would want the D Line to be quite high so you stay in there half of the pitch not what has been suggested as playing deep (5).

Im not critising in anyway at all but would like it if maybe somebody in the know could be so kind to explain and giev examples as im starting to think that im not creating many chances as my D Line is too low.

I have left the passing on default which is giving me at least 50% possesion. Oh before I forget I have used the CF as global.
Nice to hear you have some kind of success with it

Regarding the D-L: High away, low at home is based on what wwfan suggested(from the FM06 approach), and is subject for testing. I think some of the thought here is to stress the teams when playing away, give the attacking sides less time on the ball(which works pretty well). Playing deep at home could lead the teams that plays defensive to try and get forward more often, leaving them voulnerable for quick counters.
I am gonna test with the settings you suggest(which also is logical) to see if that can help my team getting more possession
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:55 AM   Tactical Theorems and Frameworks '07 Post #510
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I have been testing the theories with Wigan and have had similar issues to nonleague. I'm not suggesting the theories are flawed because they do look to be a solid base, but I certainly feel that the diamond shape is questionable, the AMC will either get a very high rating - usually because he has scored but often will be compeletely absent from the game - I imagine because a poorer side's players won't have the ability to roam and make space for themselves, as a result my AMC has only scored a handful of goals and provided very few assists. I also feel having this midfielder acting as more or less a third striker is sacrificing a player when you are under the cosh - when he would be better served sitting deeper and breaking forward when necessary a la Lampard, you never see him taking up a starting position of just behind the front two. I'm also still not convinced about the D-Line/Closing down correlation, since testing this theory I have noticed little change in defensive solidity and still ship a lot of goals from deep crosses, this may be partially due to having Ratinho though who seems to enjoy going on random walkabouts and giving the ball to the opposition at will. I am still experimenting with the AMC, firstly by using a barrow and secondly by dropping his mentality to try and get him more involved with the link up play. For me the AMC was often getting 8-10 passes in the entire game which is more or less a complete waste of time unless they are scoring goals. Another thing that I'm really not convinced with is using the deep back line against the 4-5-1 - I have had endless problems tackling this formation most notably against Fulham and Charlton, with any combination of settings I have had no luck combatting the pace of Darrent Bent and Collins John.
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