Powermonger

I'm playing LLM (Bath City) and originally had my creative freedom set to Little (6) for all my players but they weren't performing very well and couldn't create chances. I got frustrated and bumped up the team CF to Normal (11) and the team as a whole played alot better and started winning games a bit more comfortably. My team are not creative geniuses either but a higher CF worked for them.

heathxxx

Glad that the broader use of CF worked well for your team Powermonger :thup:

A lack of creative freedom for your whole team doubtless lead to lack of scoring chances. The more default CF works well enough for LLM games, but I still go a little deeper myself and limit it to no more than 2 or 3 of the "right" players.

Mind you, it does show that keeping things simple in an LLM game can work wonders.

oescus

heathxxx has given me a liitle food for thought, thanks. Perhaps one of you gentlemen could advise on this.

Shots 8
On 1
Off 7
Poss 53%

Passes Comp. 65%
Crosses Comp 30%
Tackles won 69%
Headers won 40%

Match result a 1-2 defeat at Plynouth. My only excuse was that at this time of night I was just experimenting and did not use a SUS defence and they scored on 89 minutes.

I am trying a 4-4-2 diamond set of four tactics. This was the possession one. RoO mentality. Global creative freedom on low [5]. That bit is where heathxxx, in his latest post gave me food for thought.

I should add that I am normally poor at tactics but it may seem at last that even I am beginning to see the light. All assistance greatly appreciated. I'm not proud!!

Powermonger

I still keep my back 3 on low CF Little (4) but the rest are on team. I try to keep things simple for my team and use team settings wherever I can, helps keep the cohesion.

Anyway, CF is one the sliders I hate most, too many setting positions and it's not easy to tell if it's the CF setting at fault.

Burst

don't know about this. I've done 20 test games, playing 10 with 6CF and 10 with 20CF. The 6CF games ended 1W 7D 2L 4GF 9GA and the 20CF games ended 6W 3D 1L 17GF 6GA. So far i can't see where this lower CF works.

heathxxx

I hear you powermonger

I think that it's definately the case that you have to adapt this, along with other aspects to suit the players you have.

It's one of the gripes I have when I've read through some superb tactics posted by people on the forums that are blindly criticised by others.

We live in an age beyond "Diablo-esque" killer tactics, but unfortunately many download a tactic expecting it to be as such, then when it does'nt work for them, they flame the original poster.

Fortunately though, I think that some of the recent topics are highlighting individual slider settings in a bit more detail, so hopefully the "flamers" will take note.

heathxxx

What team and level are you playing as Burst?

Did you lower/raise CF for all your first 11, or as suggested, leave your best creative/flair players with high CF?

I usually find that extremely high, 20CF turns my team into a bunch of headless chickens, but then again, you might have alot of Brazillians or the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, which would help of course.

It sounds as if you set all your first 11 to low or high CF, rather than as suggested in the earlier posts. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

If you've set all players to high or low CF, it's not going to work, because it's too extreme either way.

The key here is 2-3 maximum players set to "reasonably high, say 15CF, with the rest set to 6 or below.

If you've set all your players to high CF, then you need to have high creative attributes throughout your squad, even your defenders, to have any sustainable success.

Luiz Hemerly

worked great here for me.
I usually uses it like 6 for team and 10/11 for the players with good Creativity, Decisions and Flair. Was getting nice results on my tactic(had just been promoted and got a 6 place on league). Tryed this zero CF for team and kept my 2 better creativity, decisions and flair guys with 12.
Won 1 game by 5x0, 3 games by 3x0, 2 by 1x0, drawned 2 by 1x1, but havent lost. Nice hint!

heathxxx

Just out of interest, what sort of posession percentages were you getting in the games Luiz?

I was finding that my teams percentage of possession was anything from 58% or even higher.

mitja

well defenetly it isn't all in CF. all other instructions have to be taken in acount as well as attributes of player, home/awey game... I just tried to lower a little my CF and it didn't work well. not at all. after I highered it I scored 2 goals and had some other chances. but as you said heathxxx players do play exactly by instructions. so if you want your player to do so, lower his CF, but I wouldn't it lower to 0 never. I got my CB set to 4 and not finding any problems with it. further I think it's crazy not to give your best players high CF, but it depends wheather you are capello type or maybe wenger....