meriadoc

I just did a little experimenting with the game, and these are my results:

I am using Arsenal to play Manchester United at Old Trafford in the PL, saving just before the match. I restarted the same match for 10 times to gather data.

Manchester United Arsenal
Comebacks to win/draw: 2 0
Convincing wins (3 or more goals): 4 0
Red cards (all games combined): 0 2
Draws (with goals): 3 3
Goalless draws: 1 1
Wins: 6 0
Losses: 0 6
Total penalties awarded: 3 0
Total own goals: 0 1
Total stoppage time goals: 2 0
Largest winning margin: 4-0 na
Largest defeat: na 4-0

I replayed this game using two types of tactics, one normal 4-4-2, the other a narrow defensive 4-2-1-2-1. I played 5 games using each tactic.

I noticed that if you play as the underdog, you almost never get a shock victory against the big boys. However, you can expect that at least at some point of the game, some little team from Norway will manage to draw or even win against you even if you play exceedingly well. They say upsets happen in real life, and so can be expected too in the game. Problem is, it never happens to the human player. Naturally this gives the player a sense of one-sidedness in the game, like some sort of handicap.

Probably the other AI managers have cracked your tactics, but I don't think that is very likely. After all, not every one is Mourinho or Wenger. I find the notion that every manager in the game thinks and acts flawlessly...disturbing.

You can scoff at my statistics all you want, you can say that I have no proof or insufficient sample data, but I assure you that this is the real deal. Trust me or not, it's up to you.

Maybe again, it's my tactics.

Jimbokav1971

Rofl . You just made me laugh out loud. Thanks :thup:.

Which one of these teams is classed as the "underdog" and which is classed as the "big boy"?

Now THAT is REALLY worrying. If I was playing Arsenal against Man Utd and a Norwegian team suddenly appeared and beat us, I would be astounded.

I think that in this case there is certainly some sort of handicap at work.

Scoff scoff scoff.

Most ridiculous post of the week, (just when I thought GQ was starting to improve.

robin_trott_hoof

I don't think this proves anything whatsoever. The two teams are too well balanced and ten matches isn't much to go on.

I'd say that in my games, I've had a slight edge in underdog victories as opposed to being the victim of them. But that's because I rarely play as a leading team.

However, there could be some truth in the fact that every manager in the game acts the same. No manager appears to have a preference for a particular sort of player or tactic, let alone one who becomes known for dealing or youth development.

Not that this is the point being made.

mikeytwigge

underdog victories do happen for the player. i was playing as oldham and i beat newcastle in my first season

meriadoc

Almost anyone playing at Old Trafford can be considered the underdog, no? I find this difficult to disagree with, and yet you manage to ignore common sense.

Now now, that's just evil, eh? You know well that I do not mean that, and somehow find it pleasurable to misquote me. What I meant was that I rarely get a underdog victory, yet have a much larger chance of getting beaten by or drawing with a weaker side.

Great. Name-calling. Is that what you are most capable of? Instead of talking sense, you resort to name-calling. Just goes on to show how mature you are.


Make up your mind. Like this post or hate it. You can't like me and hate me at the same time. Unless you were being sarcastic. Oh wait, you were. Bah.

dafuge

What are you trying to prove here?

All you seem to have found out so far is that you are struggling to get a win at Old Trafford, which is no big surprise really.

meriadoc

All I am trying to say is this: the computer opponents play almost perfectly. If smaller teams can sneak a win at the Emirates, why can't I (Arsenal) win at Old Trafford? Luck is in play? Or, as everyone's favourite idiom says, it's just my tactics?

dafuge

I'm sure if you replayed that game enough times you would eventually get a win.

The computer isn't cheating you, just try running the same experiment with something like Arsenal vs Derby, I'm sure Derby would struggle to get a win against you.

meriadoc

Hmm, now that things have cooled down a bit, in retrospect, what I have said indeed looks like a rant. Fair enough, dafuge, what you have said makes sense. But I still have the funny feeling that the computer is eerily adept at the game. :cool:

mitja

it's not your tactics, it's your team talks

10 matches and not a single win is a little odd to me. but it doesn't proove anything, due to many circmstances like maybe you're using wrong tactics, team talks, morale...but I wouldn't say that ME favours AI it's just human chances to mess things up are much bigger then AI's.

as for tactical cracking (bull s...), I think IRE everybody's cracked tactics of barca, real, inter, man u, chelsea, arsenal, lyon... but that doesn't meen they can't win matches anymore and that they must change tactics every 5 games. afterall the quality of better players is something that wins you most matches, defenetly not tactics. (correct me if I'm wrong)