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On the topic of training I'm not as pure as most llamas. As long as I know a training regime isn't a cheat I will use the same ones every game, just because I can't be arsed to deal with it. Yet I don't want to let the assman handle training because he's a slacker who gives them ladies way too much free time. There are no days off in MY training regimes!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Amazing Dale Watkins:
Scouting tools are just as bad as signing known wonderkids. It's no secret that a small number of excellent signings can make the difference between struggling in the Conference for years and marching all the way to the top getting rich along the way.
That's all fine if you play for yourself, it's your game etc etc, but attempting to excuse and rationalize this cheat is just pathetic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have never tried to rationalize using the scouts, my question was because it wasnt covered in the guidelines (specificallY) that was all. At the moment i am just trying to find out more specific details from the posters on the LLM thread about the "unwritten rules" of this thread. In regards to signing wonderkids, how many are available on a transfer budget of £35k and would be willing to play in the lowest italian league for £600pm ? Signing excellent players is what every manager dreams of, its no different for a LLM to get a great signing and help gain promotion, so if i find a cheap (£5k) player from Portugal and he doesnt fantastically for me whats wrong with that ?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What exactly are you on about with all this re: tactics and training? Agreed that tactics will need to be different for different sides, but LLM is not the same as NFEWM- No Football Experience Whatsoever Management. Same with training. Tell me how previous knowledge CAN'T be used from game to game. Again, its not NFEWM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, we're not talking in the scenario of some dad looking after his kids under 5's team here, even a conference team wouldnt give the job of manager to just any guy off the street, they would have to have some sort of past experience or qualifications (required by FA now) to get the job, so EVERY manager has some past experience with tactics and training regimes that they like to use, the trick is to constantly refine that tactic. Mine is a style of play that i first started to use in CM3 and has been constantly evolving nearly every game.
I usually tell my scouts to search the region, and they come back with Trinidad and Tobaggans and such like.Since that guideline can't be adjusted to them, i tell them to scout what i consider to be realistic. Conference division (and lower than that) seems realistic enough- to me.
The only ones who i can accept having previous knowledge are my ass man and the coaches. I don't, so i don't use the same training regimes in different games. I create new ones along the way.
Since my coaches have 'very poor' reputation, i don't expect them to have world class training regimes. Can you know for sure that i.e Barnet and Halifax coaches are using the same training schedules?
Well this is interesting, after being flamed by some people in this thread for asking simple questions, it turns out that the practices and views of the "flamers" is being bought into question. Perhaps i was right to ask these questions as the guidelines are open for too much interpretation.
You were right. They are guidelines, not rules. I only said you should read a bit around, because all this has been discussed. Everyone has his own approach to LLM.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Laxly:
I have never tried to rationalize using the scouts, my question was because it wasnt covered in the guidelines (specificallY) that was all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I was referring to the parts where you said you only use it because the in-game scouts and searches are inadequate, and later on where you make the totally convincing argument that it only found young portuguese superplayers that you probably could have found all by yourself if you had tried
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Signing excellent players is what every manager dreams of, its no different for a LLM to get a great signing and help gain promotion, so if i find a cheap (£5k) player from Portugal and he doesnt fantastically for me whats wrong with that ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If your own scouts found him then nothing is wrong with that. If a scouting tool finds him however you already know he's good or going to be good. Scouts make mistakes, they recommend crap players all the time and miss the gems. The worse the scouts the less you can trust them. That's all part of the game that you're conveniently bypassing there.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kfoolmoon:
I usually tell my scouts to search the region, and they come back with Trinidad and Tobaggans and such like.Since that guideline can't be adjusted to them, i tell them to scout what i consider to be realistic. Conference division (and lower than that) seems realistic enough- to me.
The only ones who i can accept having previous knowledge are my ass man and the coaches. I don't, so i don't use the same training regimes in different games. I create new ones along the way.
Since my coaches have 'very poor' reputation, i don't expect them to have world class training regimes. Can you know for sure that i.e Barnet and Halifax coaches are using the same training schedules?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, I see what you are getting at, but those are personal preferences not really LLM guidelines, right? I take your point about the Caribbean guys showing up in the search by country, although this doesnt happen all the time.
As for tactics, right, I agree with you, but then there are managers who use the same formation over and over because they like it. Its a philosophical difference on coaching/managing. Some managers want the players to play within their system, others design the system around their players. As long as we aren't talking exploiting the AI here, its a personal choice, not LLM guideline.
As for training, well, its obvious that cross country trains stamina. How hard is that to figure out? The CM 03/04 training is pretty simple, you see what stats allegedly improve with each exercise. Again, I say its a matter of philosophy not LLM. If I find a training regime that works well enough, I keep it from game to game. It might not be the same one you use (i.e. your Barnet and Halifax comparison) but it might be the Halifax manager used the same training methods in his last job, eh?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Laxly:
Perhaps i was right to ask these questions as the guidelines are open for too much interpretation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here's hoping your not trying to introduce a change in the guidelines, for if you are i fear your on a hiding to nothing.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kfoolmoon:
You were right. They are guidelines, not rules. I only said you should read a bit around, because all this has been discussed. Everyone has his own approach to LLM.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would like to consider that my overall approach to LLM is how i would like to think i would do it in real life, i pay little attention to the finances of the club as i consider promotion to be more important, so i offset the overspend in wages and monthly losses against the vast increase in revenue that comes with promotion, so i go out all guns blazing to get promotion asap.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Laxly:
I would like to consider that my overall approach to LLM is how i would like to think i would do it in real life, i pay little attention to the finances of the club as i consider promotion to be more important, so i offset the overspend in wages and monthly losses against the vast increase in revenue that comes with promotion, so i go out all guns blazing to get promotion asap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No offense, but that approach would blow up right in your face more often than not in real life.
I know it works in CM, just trying to put things in perspective.
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