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If we all accept there was a flaw in the match engine covering shots to goals ratio, and it seems that most people including SI do acknowledge this, then it should have been SI’s objective to release an interim patch to fix this.
They haven’t, and that has led to a lot of pointless topics and posts.
As much as I hate to say it, it seems to me that since SI were bought out, the service level has dropped. In the past, we could have expected a patch for this very quickly.
As someone pointed out early in this thread, this is almost the key component of the whole game.
Knee jerk responses such as yours serve no purpose other than to irritate the poster, in this case me.
If you had bothered to read the whole post and think before you wrote, you would have appreciated a little more depth in your response would have been called for.
If you see the need to post frivolous rubbish just to boost your karma rating, so be it, I would appreciate it if you didn't do so at my expense thank you.
Because of it's complexity SI will take all the time they can get to get it right.
As a patch is due after the transfer window it makes complete sense to keep working on and testing the ME till then rather than repeating the quick patch solution which failed in the first place.
Your rehash of the theory that the Sega connection is somehow damaging is speculative balderdash and based on no factual knowledge at all. In fact it's a huge step in ensuring the future of FM.
Originally posted by Genuine_quality:
well of course a part of it was tactics, like if scotland had played 9 up front they would have lost heavily etc, but on champ man its 75% tactics and 25% player ability
I personally have to disagree with this statement.
I agree that it is difficult to understand some of the tactical elements of this game, and I've been saying for a long time now that some kind of feedback system is badly needed to give certain people more of an idea of why their tactics aren't working.
And yes there is a well known issue regarding the number of one-on-one chances created.
But it's very possible to create a balanced tactic that relies on player ability. I've done it myself and if your interested the details of this can be found in this thread.
As I said there is a known problem with the number of one-on-one chances shown by the match engine. Unfortunately (and understandably) this distorts peoples belief in their tactics. Understandably they see their team creating a lot of chances that are missed and think because they are creating these chances their tactics must be solid. But like it or not you need to think differently at the moment and look more at the final scores than the number of one-on-one chances created.
So the point is that there's nothing wrong with the game once you stop looking at chances as the main indicator of a successful tactic and instead look at results. From there it's easy enough to create a successful tactic and enjoy the game immensly, as many of us are doing.
Originally posted by Ranson52:
Bottom line here is simple.
If we all accept there was a flaw in the match engine covering shots to goals ratio, and it seems that most people including SI do acknowledge this, then it should have been SI’s objective to release an interim patch to fix this.
They haven’t, and that has led to a lot of pointless topics and posts.
As much as I hate to say it, it seems to me that since SI were bought out, the service level has dropped. In the past, we could have expected a patch for this very quickly.
As someone pointed out early in this thread, this is almost the key component of the whole game.
Listening to SI's podcast - which is just one way that SI communicate with their fanbase - I heard a very sensible comment from Miles Jacobson. He did feel that people were making too much of an issue about the goals to shots ratio, but then he did concede that it happens a bit too much in Football Manager. He then said this would be fixed in the next patch released end of February.
I honestly can't agree that this "issue" makes the game unplayable. I can see the logic in the argument that there are too many clear cut chances created in a game that are being in the ME, and this will be fixed.
I hope that in fixing this bug, it doesnt make the problem with 'zombie' defenders even worse. Hopefully they will improve the realism of defending at the same time.
IMHO there are two problems in ME related and people complaint about one of them.
It's clear that some tactics create tons of chances, more chances than any matches. Yes, big teams sometimes have 20 shots in a match, but that is not real average. In FM is easy to have lots of chances, and some that look easy in 2D. That is a problem.
And then, those tactics make teams miss lots of chances. I have seen it by myself, it's nearly ridiculous to have 20 shots in goal and only 1 against and lose the game. Second problem.
But there are other tactics that work in a comprehensive way, with fine goal rating and a reasonable number of chances. I have found a couple of tactics that match this and I'm having success despite having less chances than before.
So, people who say FM is unplayable: choose a right tactic, and you will enjoy the game.
And people who say that FM has no problem: explain me why can't I play with fast tempo and direct passing and expect normal behaviour from the ME.
Originally posted by xouman:
IMHO there are two problems in ME related and people complaint about one of them.
It's clear that some tactics create tons of chances, more chances than any matches. Yes, big teams sometimes have 20 shots in a match, but that is not real average. In FM is easy to have lots of chances, and some that look easy in 2D. That is a problem.
And then, those tactics make teams miss lots of chances. I have seen it by myself, it's nearly ridiculous to have 20 shots in goal and only 1 against and lose the game. Second problem.
But there are other tactics that work in a comprehensive way, with fine goal rating and a reasonable number of chances. I have found a couple of tactics that match this and I'm having success despite having less chances than before.
So, people who say FM is unplayable: choose a right tactic, and you will enjoy the game.
And people who say that FM has no problem: explain me why can't I play with fast tempo and direct passing and expect normal behaviour from the ME.
A very sensible post. I quite agree to a degree. The ME isn't perfect, but neither is it unplayable.
I think that the difficulty is that 'shots on target' is the 'last' ratio before goals. What I mean is that - if you have good possession and passing, but poor territorial advantage - then you assume you are being too cautious and adjust your play. If you have lots of shots off target, you assume that your strikers are poor or that they aren't getting quality service.
But if you are getting 10-15 shots on target, 'logic' (experience of watching football irl) tells you that you should (most of the time) beat the keeper with 2-3 of them; and furthermore, it's very hard to see what else you as the manager can do to increase the quality of the chances. I fully accept that there may be things that can be done but they are not obvious, and I think this has frustrated people.
If SI believe that the match engine is 'right' then imho there need to be other managerial tools within the game (along the lines of an OPTA analysis) that help you understand why your shots aren't turning into goals.
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