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Originally posted by heathxxx:
I've advocated this for a long time for those moaning about the match engine.
SI never had half the complaints before the 2D match engine arrived, but since, people ALWAYS complain about "super" keepers, 1v1, etc...
I'm unaware if it makes any difference to results in reality, but I'm sure that someone will pop up with a "detailed examination... with proof!!" soon enough.
The key influences as is well known, are to do with reputation, tactics, players, team-talks, media interaction, plus alot more than just how the match engine is viewed.
I'm not saying there are'nt issues that are proven to exist. I just believe that people are taking things completely out of proportion.
As somebody who has been on these boards in various guises since CM2, I can assure you that the perception of, and complaints about "superkeepers" have always been with CM/FM.
Although in this version there is actually a lot of substance in it- purely because under certain conditions its easy to create over 25 chances (many of them clearcut one v ones) every single game, for whatever reason many are just shot straight at the keeper. Not so much superkeepers but certainly a genuine issue.
The only myth I can see is that the 2D gives different results.
No it doesnt- its just Cafe's perception. Perception is a very powerful and misleading thing.
Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Starr_Man5:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Ackter:
Nope, wouldn't happen like that. Will be a different match every time.
:thup: :thup: </BLOCKQUOTE>
There is a program that you can use so it will play out the exact same scenario each time. Somebody on here did a test with it a while back to see how much effect Team Talks have on an outcome, using that, you could play the game in 2d match engine, then replay the match doing the EXACT same things "old school" and see what the outcome will be... </BLOCKQUOTE>
yes, there are systems as vmware that let you create an environment and so you can play the SAME game as many times as you want to. People has tested it, but I never was capable of configure it properly XDDDD
Wow.. didn't expect so many to comment in my thread!
Everything that has been said in this thread has to be taken into consideration. I understand that watching either the 2d engine or just the commentary uses the same methods, but I did what I said I would do and played 8 matches in 2d and then the same games in just commentary and it came out like this.. starting with 2d.
2D Match Engine:
A) Catania L 0-1
MIL 30 shots on goal, 12 on target.
CAT 4 shots on goal, 1 on target.
H) Inter D 1-1
MIL 29 shots on goal, 21 on target.
INT 2 shots on goal, 2 shots on target.
H) Lazio W 2-1
MIL 7 shots on goal, 6 on target.
LAZ 7 shots on goal, 2 on target.
A) Sampdoria L 1-3
MIL 16 shots on goal, 8 on target.
SAM 5 shots on goal, 4 on target.
H) Atalanta L 0-1
MIL 23 shots on goal, 16 on target.
ATA 7 shots on goal, 1 on target.
A) Chievo Verona D 0-0
MIL 11 shots on goal, 3 on target.
CHI 4 shits on goal, 0 on target.
H) Livorno W 3-1
MIL 38 shots on goal, 18 on target.
LIV 6 shots on goal, 3 on target.
A) AS Roma L 1-4
MIL 17 shots on goal, 10 on target.
ASR 6 shots on goal, 5 on target.
Just Commentary:
A) Catania W 2-1
MIL 11 shots on goal, 6 on target.
CAT 2 shots on goal, 2 on target.
H) Inter W 3-0
MIL 9 shots on goal, 4 on target.
INT 5 shots on goal, 1 shots on target.
H) Lazio D 2-2
MIL 6 shots on goal, 3 on target.
LAZ 5 shots on goal, 2 on target.
A) Sampdoria W 1-0
MIL 7 shots on goal, 3 on target.
SAM 5 shots on goal, 2 on target.
H) Atalanta W 5-0
MIL 19 shots on goal, 11 on target.
ATA 4 shots on goal, 0 on target.
A) Chievo Verona W 2-0
MIL 7 shots on goal, 5 on target.
CHI 5 shits on goal, 2 on target.
H) Livorno W 4-1
MIL 14 shots on goal, 8 on target.
LIV 5 shots on goal, 3 on target.
A) AS Roma W 3-2
MIL 7 shots on goal, 3 on target.
ASR 8 shots on goal, 6 on target.
I think this shows that there must be something going on. This surely cannot be regarded just as a simple coincidence? The results are just TOO different. If the results on slightly changed, then yes, I would say either nothing has changed, or it's a simple coincidence, but these results have huge differnces compared to the 2D results. It might well be just a fluke, but I'm going to stick with what I orginally said at the start of this thread - Playing with just commentary has a more fairer and more realistic outcome.
Stupid question. How do I turn the game to commentary only? I might try this as I gave up on FM08, downloaded CM08 demo, found it to be crap, contemplated buying Fifa Manager, preferred suicide then just went back to FM07 and had fun again.
Just Cafe's perception. Perception is a very powerful and misleading thing.
You only used 8 games to test your theory out, also if you are just saving the game, trying 8 games with 2d engine and then reloading the game and trying those same 8 games with just commertary how is this a good way to test your theory. Because once you reload that game it can change how a result comes out. There are plenty of varibles which can be effected if you just reload and try it again.
I am sorry but weather you watch it with 2D engine or the commentary it doesn't effect the result. Its all in your mind!
Originally posted by niktheblade1:
Bobby B... what you must ask yourself is...
If your feelings are that this is a pointless thread, why did you
a. read it
b. respond to it, to tell everyone that you think it is a pointless thread.
If someone thought enough about it to post a thread, then it must not have been pointless to them, respect peoples opinions rather than tainting this forum with beratings of other users.
Many thanks
Well in truth he had to read to find out it was a pointless thread (sry just in a pedantic mood)
But yeh the engine is the same it does not react to what view you are using.
No its really perfectly true. As soon as i swtich to commentary only, my strikers actually dribble around the goalkeeper and shoot at the corners of the goals!
The guy that used 8 matches and someone complained - come on, look at how different the match stats were there! Take your blinkers off.
I also don't have the ridiculous amounts of shots problem when i have commentary only on!
8 matches would not be an appropriate sample size. At a minimum, you would have to run the season several times for both Commentary Only and 2-D. That's because every time you play a season, you will have varying results simply by chance (for example, if you were to play a match, quit without saving, reload, play the match, quit without saving, etc, etc, you would not see the same match played out the same way repeatedly). I would think that, to get any kind of statistical certainty, you would need to run the season about 30 times each way.
I'm not suggesting you do this. I wouldn't be bothered unless I had a viable theory as to what, specifically, might change in the game engine between Commentary Only and 2-D, and why.
The only thing I can think of is what Ackter said earlier - your reaction to the game may change based on what you see on the screen.
(sry just in a pedantic mood)
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