retired_taustin

I have tested this. And it was a proper test using VM Ware, so i kept the same random seed each time.

You get the EXACT SAME MATCH regardless of which commentary you choose. I played a match with the 2D engine, then reloaded the virtual machine and played the same game under the commentary only. Every single line of commentary is exactly the same.

Sorry to disappoint.

retired_taustin

BTW, if you're not going to test this using VM Ware Workstation or something similar, then there is no point in testing it, or even bothering to debate. I encourage all of you to try the demo version of VM Ware Workstation and test this out for yourself.

retired_gabrielaperez08

I could never play with just commentary.. watching those little, colored dots race around a football pitch is the heart and soul of FM

retired_echater

IRL, Man Utd have a better record when I watch the full match than when I watch the highlights

retired_caitbeans

OK, I've given this theory a try:

I've played the same game 10 times. (St. Albans vs Stevenage) 23.3.2009, Clarence Park
I've played it with exactly the same tactics and players each time. No changing of tactics or instructions during/or before the game, and no team talk. If a player on either team got a red card, i quit the game.

5 times I played it with key highlights.
5 times I played it with text only commentary.

Here are the results:

With highlights:

St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-0, Shots/On goal: 21/12
St.Albans v Stevenage: D 1-1, Shots/On goal: 18/10
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-2, Shots/On goal: 15/6
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-0, Shots/On goal: 18/10
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-2, Shots/On goal: 19/8

Goals scored: 13 Shots: 91/46

Text only:

St.Albans v Stevenage: W 4-2, Shots/On goal: 22/12
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-0, Shots/On goal: 15/12
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-1, Shots/On goal: 16/9
St.Albans v Stevenage: L 2-3, Shots/On goal: 20/13
St.Albans v Stevenage: W 3-1, Shots/On goal: 18/11

Goals scored: 15 Shots: 91/57

I leave you all to conlude. Although i admit this is poor statistical material.
I really should have played the games 3-400 times, but it's far too tedious.
At least it's enough to convince me there isn't much of a difference.

retired_dizzie30

I usually just play with commentry as I cant be arsed to spend 10mins on a single game. The shots per game useless as it always has been and you dont play any better.

retired_taustin

LOL...okay, i'll just keep repeating this until people start to get it.

I'll run the same test as the guy two above.

Icelandic League, i'm HK in the First Division. I'll play a match with 2D view (2D), then reload, and paly the same match with Commentary Only (CO). I will post stats that are so arbitrary, that you can't call it a coincidence. I am using VMWare.

v. Selfoss:
I saved the memory state just before submitting the team.

2D: Score 4-2, shots 21-10, pass% 60-56, tackle% 71-68. Jesper Henriksen missed a penalty in the 34th minute.
CO: Score 4-2, shots 21-10, pass% 60-56, tackle% 71-68. Jesper Henriksen missed a penalty in the 34th minute.

Just to test further, i restarted again, played the whole first half, then changed the GK at halftime. Results:
2D: Score 2-1, shots 15-8, pass% 57-56, tackle% 70-70. GKs completed 3 and 4 passes, respectively.
CO: Score 2-1, shots 15-8, pass% 57-56, tackle% 70-70. Only goal scored after HT was by Gudmunsson in the 77th. GKs completed 3 and 4 passes, respectively.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......of course, the sample size of my standard deviation (or whatever) is small, so it could be total rubbish



Next game, v. Þrottur:
Before i submit the team, i saved the memory state, then i swapped my left and right mids.

2D: Score 1-0, shots 10-4, pass% 61-59, tackle% 74-77. Jaya scored the only goal from his swapped Right Mid position in the 48th.
CO: Score 1-0, shots 10-4, pass% 61-59, tackle% 74-77. Jaya scored the only goal from his swapped Right Mid position in the 48th.

Now i reloaded again, this time i did not switch my left and right mids before submitting the team.
2D: Score 3-0, shots 14-6, pass% 72-62, tackle% 77-67. Jaya scored in the 68th this time, and Ngwenya scored twice in the first half.
CO: Score 3-0, shots 14-6, pass% 72-62, tackle% 77-67. Jaya scored in the 68th this time, and Ngwenya scored twice in the first half.


Need me to test anything else?

retired_taustin

Sorry, i should also mention that in the Selfoss match, Gudmunsson scored in the 77th in both modes. I left it out the first time.

retired_taustin

Sorry, i made a mistake...the save state was created AFTER the team submissions.

It wouldn't make sense to save the state before team submissions, because the outcome of the game hasn't been decided yet, so the "random" factors still have a chance to change the outcome, until you hit submit.

Anyway, i'm actually in the middle of making a video of the test. I'll put it on YouTube if it's under 10 minutes.

retired_taustin

Okay, YouTube completely butchered my video and made it impossible to read the text. So i also uploaded it to my own webspace.

Crappy YouTube Link

Full size video on RefPlanet (27 MB)

For those who don't go to the YouTube version, here is the description:

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THIS VIDEO IS BEST VIEWED IN FULL SCREEN!

This is a test of the game engine, to see if you get a different match outcome if you select a different view mode for the match.

I ran the test using VMWare Workstation 6, which saves the memory state of the game at any time i choose, so all of the "random seed" effects can't effect the game.

The results? See for yourself.

P.S.: I skipped all the VM Ware loading phases, because they take a couple minutes each, and the video would go over 10 minutes if i left them in. If you are still skeptical, go download the trial version of VM Ware Workstation and test this out for yourself.

P.P.S.: This is my test save game within VM Ware. I only use it for VM Ware tests. I don't support Chelsea, and i don't actually play this save seriously. Why would i play FM on a virtual machine when i could just play it under my normal operating system?
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