retired_mrsangela

I have come to the conclusion, That this latest installment of the FM series is designed for people who are content in playing with teams such as. Man Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid you know the best teams in the world.

And if you do pick one of the big teams to play with then no matter what system you play your not going to be far off the top of the table.

But for others like me who enjoy the challenge of taking on a much smaller club wether it be in the prem or where ever this game doesnt give you a hope in hell.

You now seem to have to have a different system for each day of the week, There appears to be no consistency in games making the game for me anyway very frustrating.

And I think this is very apparent when you notice that some of the big tactians of FM 06 are no longer to be seen on the forum these days due to FM 07 being as it is.

For example the Dusher by Bebbelino, Pass n Move by Jep, Domination by Dobromy do I need to go on. ? I think SI really need to look at the match engine for there next patch or even FM 08. I have always rushed to buy the new FM as soon as its come out because the series has always been great but FM 07 does seem to be a step to far....For me anyway.

Would like to hear feedback from others thats if SI will allow it. I think its important to hear feedback from its customers after all I like most of you paid 25 quid for this game so I think that gives us the right to express our views, And by doing so may be things will change in the futre.

retired_janellewood86

I think the reason that downloadable tactics have disappeared from view this intallment is because they simply don't work.

I have quite a good tactic, but I wouldn't share it here. That's because I would need to share about 10 different files, each with a description of how it works, in what situation to use it etc.

In 2006 you may have had to change a few runs for fullbacks once the stock 4-2-4 came out from the AI, or perhaps add a forward arrow to wingers in certain games. On the whole, though, a good tactic would last a lifetime with reletively few (if any) tweaks once one had a super side costing £/$/€200m.

On 2007, I very rarely play the same "tactic" two games running. Not even two halves running in certain circumstances. I have a home tactic for easier games, a home tactic for normal games, for hard game. Switch that for away games. Then for playing 4-4-2, 4-2-4, 4-5-1, 5-4-1...

If I gave you, say, my most successful setting as a download you would have a tactic that would work, at best, 25% of the time. And even then would crumble in any game where the AI decided to change its approach. Which would be any game, then.

It is more than possible to get a small side to go places. Both Cleon and wwfan have done, and I wouldn't be surprised if a fair few others have done too. However, like real life, 2007 requires far more hours of actually playing each match and respoinding than any other incarnation.

The best tactics require fewest changes. That's probably why mine must suck. But I've got pretty decent results out of an average Villa side by adapting to situations.

There isn't enough Ass. Man. feedback, and it's overwhelming if you don't put a great amount of time into it. But on the whole, I think it's far more realisitic.

I've never been one to download tactics. Even my two favourie approaches (CMAddict 06 and Duke's Boro tactic) were moulded upon, but not copies of, other people's ideas. I'm not creative enough to come up with anything new.

There is consistency in the match engine. Just don't expect the same system to work in all circumstances.

retired_janae55

I disagree with you Jamie69. In fact, I think it is on the contrary. You can flunk with big teams and do very well with small teams. What I would say is FM 07 places a very large emphasis on the tactics of your team. And perhaps because of this, many people who fail to make good tactics are discourage by the game and thus quitted FM07. Though I would say if you're willing to sit down and really tweak your team's tactics properly, you can succeed no matter what team you are.

retired_BrownVanilla

TBH mate i don't agree with you at all, the only reason some tactics from '06 don't work it becuase the match engine has changed.

and if you really think you need to manage a big team to win, check out cleons sheffield united thread; he won the EPL with them 1st season.

most people complain that the bg teams don't do very well in '07 for example in my game l'pool are 17th and man u are either 6/7/8th.

and also if you need a big team to win how come i took aston villa to 2nd in the EPL in my 1st season with only 3 signings?
since then i have won the EPL twice, CL once, the world club championship once, and am in the carling cup semi's, and am currently 2nd with 5 games in hand on the leaders and are 3 points behind them(i am in 4th season)


on '07 if you have a good solid tactic base and make tweaks accordingly you will do well.


oh and by the way expect to be flamed by other forum members and to have this thread closed.


also, if you need help with tactics look in the unnoficial tactics bible, and pay special attention to any posts from Cleon(like i said earlier check out his sheffield UTD project) , rashidi wwfan(his TT+F IV thread is great, although complex) and asmodeus(his slider apathy theory is a great, simple and solid base to build a tactic from)

also i would be more than happy to help you with any tactical problems you may have.

retired_BrownVanilla

by the way i was saying i don't agree with jamie96, not millie or ubos who have got it spot on:thup:

retired_mrsangela

I appreciate your feed back, But please dont mis-understand me, Im not saying that the games crap, I just think the actuall fun side of the game is lacking some what, And in its place they have gone too much the other way in making the game too complicated.

Thats just my opinion, Its not a dig at any one And should any one flame me for having an opinion with out actually understanding what im saying are morons.

But I will take another look at some of the threads and see if im missing anything.

retired_mrsangela

Well having read through numerous threads on tactics im still not convinced that this game is not badly flawed, Every one who is having any succes is using a big Team wether it be in the prem or abroad, Chelsea, Man Utd , Barca wheres the big results for the small teams.? Tactics in this game are flawed big time.

retired_BrownVanilla

i wasn't saying you should get flamed, just that there are some t**** on here that usually flame someone for having an opinion against the game, these people are also known as fanboys

retired_mgavlick

My TT&F threads were written whilst I was testing with Blyth. After 8 seasons I finished 13 in the Premiership and lost in the final of the FA Cup in extra-time to Chelsea. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Blyth aren't quite up in the Big Boys' league. Indeed, now I have switched to a big club I'm finding I am having to redesign my tactics somewhat as breaking down the ultra-defensive AI is frustrating.

Millie, ubos and aston are spot on in their deconstruction of your original post. There are no 'one size fits all' tactics left. You need to build a variety of systems (not formations) which should be employed in various situations. If you get it right you will over-perform. The big tacticians you mentioned have failed to let go of the old mindset of designing one off tactics that can defeat the match engine. The new players in town tend to offer theoretical discussions which readers can implement and tweak in relation to their team. Once you understand that and begin reading the theory threads rather than the 'download a tactic' ones you will get more fun from 07 than any previous version.

You don't deserve to get flamed as your post is well reasoned and admits to the need for multiple tactics. It just seems you are unwilling to try them. I personally employ five within the same formation, but for starters, in lower leagues, a simple home and away will suffice. Once you have mastered the lower levels you will understand the tactical thinking enough to design more complete systems for higher levels. It just takes a little more time and pateince than previously.

retired_milhouse_vh

Small team doing well

I agree and disagree with you Jamie. I have had success with a very small club but its not been very "fun" at times. SI have just releast a hints and tips quide that may help you. But it didnt really help me im afraid.

Tactics are an issue but in FM 07 this goes hand in hand with reading the 2d match view. I think where most of us need help is in reading the 2d match. What i mean is looking at the match and being able to see whats going right and whats going wrong. I'm useless at this and find it very hard to see what is happening and therefore dont know what to change/leave as it is. If we could do this then this would also help us with our tactics. As Millie said he has various tactics for various situations. I just have a home and away tactic.

SI mention in the hints and tips guide to follow the 2d view to see what needs changing, but thats it, they just mention it and seem to think its quite easy to figger out!

And also there is always a voice in the back of my mind saying "the game has been processed, ok im 2-0 down but maybe im due to score 3 in the last 10 minutes if i dont change anything, i just dont know it yet". That doubt in my head adds to the fact i cant see where im doing wrong/right anyway!