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What I want is very simple. The team plays the ball to the feet of the winger and he will then try to dribble around his defender, get to the byline and cross it.
Getting the player to dribble isnt too difficult. Just tell him to do that and if he isnt doing it often enough, then lower his creative freedom.
The problem is in getting the ball to the wingers' feet. Eventhough they play in AM R/L without arrows, eventhough I play the ball down the flanks and eventhough I experimented with the width, they just dont get the ball enough. Only once I set one winger as playmaker, did it work. Low and behold, Robben ends the match with 8 dribbles and is man of the match. Joe Cole has an amazing one (yes 1!) run past opponent.
Unfortunately, you can only have one playmaker at a time. (afaik). Surely there must be another way to get the team to play the ball to my wingers? Too often do they immediately search for the striker..
I use the default 4-3-3 normal, but removed the arrows on the wingers. The midfielders should just pass the ball to the wingers and while they're skinning their opponent, the midfielders make runs into the box to get on the end of any cross. Thats what I want anyway..
If you have the wingers in AML/AMR position then playing down both flanks is kind of a waste, especially seeing as most of your flanks are uncovered I am guessing? If you used standard wingers and instructed to play down both flanks, then they should theoretically see the ball more.
It also means they probably get isolated being so far up the pitchh, who is the nearest player to em on the wings, the fullbacks? Plus what is the mentality difference between the midfield and the 2 wingers? is it huge? what sort of passing is the midfield on?
How I normally set my wingers up is, forward runs rarely, so they don't go to far forward and are in a good position to dribble with the ball. Run with ball often, cross from byline, mixed passing, man marking, so they track back. Closing down around 13ish.
But thats not the probs by the sound of it, your problem stems from the midfield bypassing the wingers? Id put money on it being a mentality and passing issue.
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If you have the wingers in AML/AMR position then playing down both flanks is kind of a waste, especially seeing as most of your flanks are uncovered I am guessing?
Why would playing down the flanks be a waste? And what do you mean with uncovered?
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If you used standard wingers and instructed to play down both flanks, then they should theoretically see the ball more.
Problem with playing wingers in M R/L is that many wingers dont even have a rating for that position. Many are natural in AM R/L and at best competent at M R/L, often even worse.
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It also means they probably get isolated being so far up the pitchh, who is the nearest player to em on the wings, the fullbacks? Plus what is the mentality difference between the midfield and the 2 wingers? is it huge? what sort of passing is the midfield on?
For now they're all still on the default mentality.
Been working some more on it, but Im just getting so fed up with it, you know? In real life, I could just tell my players how I expect them to play. In the game, I have to fiddle with tons of sliders in the hope that everything combined works the way I want. But it doesnt. Not yet anyway.
You'd think an obvious option such as "play down the flanks" would already cover the biggest part. But it doesnt. I can play short, I can play slow, I can give them little creative freedom, but they still insist on playing it to my striker, who is central and further up the pitch and marked more then my wingers, then to play it DOWN THE FLANKS with SHORT passes. Really infuriating. And no, my striker is not set as a target man.
Just finished another match. Both wingers had one run past opponent. That just makes me sad.
If at all it is possible, it'll probably be me who is doing something wrong, but that still doesnt help me. Why does it have to be so damn difficult? Which brings me back to my first paragraph.
Why would playing down the flanks be a waste? And what do you mean with uncovered?
Well you only have AML/AMR, so they are half way up the flank already. So its pointless playing down the flank unless you use the flanks fully and not half way.
By saying uncvered, I mean you actually have noone on the flank except AML/AMR?
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Problem with playing wingers in M R/L is that many wingers dont even have a rating for that position. Many are natural in AM R/L and at best competent at M R/L, often even worse.
All wingers can play MR/ML, they only stay at ML/MR to recieve the ball. Once there in possession, thats when you make them go to AM positions.
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For now they're all still on the default mentality.
Which would be?
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Been working some more on it, but Im just getting so fed up with it, you know? In real life, I could just tell my players how I expect them to play. In the game, I have to fiddle with tons of sliders in the hope that everything combined works the way I want. But it doesnt. Not yet anyway.
You'd think an obvious option such as "play down the flanks" would already cover the biggest part. But it doesnt. I can play short, I can play slow, I can give them little creative freedom, but they still insist on playing it to my striker, who is central and further up the pitch and marked more then my wingers, then to play it DOWN THE FLANKS with SHORT passes. Really infuriating. And no, my striker is not set as a target man.
Just finished another match. Both wingers had one run past opponent. That just makes me sad.
This relates to above, try playing mixed rather than down the flanks, as I already stated your wingers are too advanced for it to be effective. If they played at ML/MR position then playing down the flanks would be effective.
Incidentally, have you tried barrows on the AML/AMR to see if that involves them more?
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If at all it is possible, it'll probably be me who is doing something wrong, but that still doesnt help me. Why does it have to be so damn difficult? Which brings me back to my first paragraph.
Its always difficult trying to get the AML/AMR to be effective in a 433, as they are really advanced, if you want them to be involved then you need them to be further down the pitch where they can actually influence play, and not be isolated out wide.
I still think it could be a midfield problem as well, rather than your AML/AMR.
Well you only have AML/AMR, so they are half way up the flank already. So its pointless playing down the flank unless you use the flanks fully and not half way.
I though focus passing was just that, focus passing. When playing down flanks, you players will pass it to the players on the flanks more often then to the other players. Same with focus on just one flank or though the centre. When playing through the centre, your players will look to, most of the times, initiate attacks through your central midfielders.
Since I want my players to play it to my players on the flanks, its still the only logical thing I can make of it
Maybe you can elaborate on why exactly it is pointless? Either I understand it wrongly then, or the manual is again not right.
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By saying uncvered, I mean you actually have noone on the flank except AML/AMR?
There is still the full-backs of course, but who else must there be? Two players on one flank at most of course, I reckon?
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All wingers can play MR/ML, they only stay at ML/MR to recieve the ball. Once there in possession, thats when you make them go to AM positions.
So the fact many wingers are incompetent at M R/L makes no difference at all? (so long as they are natural at AM R/L). Even when not using any arrows at all?
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For now they're all still on the default mentality.
well to be honest since i have put my team width slightly narrower(7/8) my wingers have gone from getting 6&7's to 8&9's. i think this could be becuase my wingers are narrower they offer an easier pass than when they are on the touchline becuase are closer to my CM's so they see more of the ball, also becuase my wingers are narrower, the opposing full backs come narrow to mark them, so the opposing FB's are out of position; making them easier to get past. this also creates a lot of space on the flanks for my striker(s) to move into
I though focus passing was just that, focus passing. When playing down flanks, you players will pass it to the players on the flanks more often then to the other players. Same with focus on just one flank or though the centre. When playing through the centre, your players will look to, most of the times, initiate attacks through your central midfielders.
It is, however you are missing the point about you not using most of the flank. Its a waste because you play at the end of the flank as you use AM's not ML/MR which has the most effective when playing down the flanks. Your players are too far up the flank for it to be effective. Thats why I think its pointless.
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There is still the full-backs of course, but who else must there be? Two players on one flank at most of course, I reckon?
And this is the problem, the gap down the flanks are the main reason it just ins't working. They are too spread apart and the gap will be huge, yet you focus passing down the flanks, yet the gap is too far for it to be effective. Make sense?
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So the fact many wingers are incompetent at M R/L makes no difference at all? (so long as they are natural at AM R/L). Even when not using any arrows at all?
Nope, I've never seen a negative effect yet, and when you think about it, it makes sense. Its just like playing a wingback at fullback position.
How to make wingers work? 
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