retired_lourdes

I would loose bigtime - but thats not the point. The point was to find out if INDIVIDUAL- override TEAM-mentality.

retired_janellewood86

Yes we do. I must admit that the evidence (particularly the quote from SI) is leading me to doubt that team mentality makes a difference. However, I still believe that it does.

There are subtle differences in forward runs, in style, in particularly defensive line and time wasting which could all be major factors: perhaps the only ones.

Despite this, I still believe in the effect of team mentality. Most arguments seem to be based around the assumption that one must override the other, one must be more important than the other. On the latter point, I have never had any quarrel. Yes. Individual is more important than team. In positional cases, it certainly is. In battles of extremes (big differences between the sliders) individual will win out. I am still of the opinion that there is some effect in changing the team slider, and with more neutral settings this appears to be happening. I can't see why one cannot be dominant and yet the other have an effect.

One of the reasons for creating my current tactics was to ascertain whether there was an effect of team mentality, and I am yet to be convinced either way.

I do believe, especially in light of what SI posted, that the intention is that these sliders are meant to be used separatly. I am also well aware of the illogical premise that a computer programme would have a clause that said "override, but only sometimes". It wouldn't be the first time that the game didn't work as the creators intended, though, would it?

I don't think there's much point in furthering my argument as I can't actually back it up with in-game statistics. Quite frankly, I don't have the time to sit and test to a point where I would be comfortable in asserting my position one way or the other. I may try experimenting pre-season with my home and away frameworks with a dead-centre team mentality and see if it still works. In the norm, however, I will continue to play my game by moving my team mentality slider.

Slightly off topic, have you heard about this guy? What a muppet!

retired_janellewood86

In which case, good. And quite interesting, as well, backing up your case far better than it does mine.
I know

Because as I said, in extreme situations that individual will overide team. That's what the guy from SI said, that's what I've said, that's what the manual says. However, when they're closer together (and Cleon has made this argument too) they can be seen much more in tandem.
Because you would have beaten a poor side regardless of mentality, I would wager, providing your other settings were satisfactory. I think with closer ranked sides you would have seen more of an effect in your changes.

I agree.

He could. I missed it first time I read it. He should have said:

Individual mentality always team mentality.

It's the "always" bit I need to hear from him.

retired_angel1021

This is one of the major things that bugs me about the FM series. No clear defenition of what things do and how they effect each other. A member of SI could easily come on here and answer the question of team vs. individual, but nobody does. So we are trying to test something where we don't even know if it can be tested.

retired_anitarobinson

IMHO individual settings aren't really meant to be used for ALL players, the manual states that its better to have defenders on a lower mentality then the rest of the team, so my theory is that the individual settings are used for that purpose.

i.e attacking team mentality, but defense on say normal or def mentality. or you want a defensive CM. or a deeper lying FC...

I don't have a home and away tactic, i just control all changes through the team slider. much more flexible that way.