Jimbokav1971

No. Not if you carry on postink like that, (even if I do not agree with you).

Back on topic, agree with all of what you said. Sometimes I go off on a bit of a tangent when I answer. It was that more than me not grasping your point that led to the confusion.

I agree that in "certain specific situation", tempo "shouldn;t" affect a players ability to score, it's just that I'm not sure it does at the moment if that makes sense.

Just so you know, I dispensed with a slow style of play and have now developed a very fast short tactic that seems to not suffer the 1v1 bug because of the quality of chances that I am creating, (yet).

isuckatfm

It makes perfect sense. TBH I'm not certain it does either. The post was more or less how I felt any time people suggested tempo as a reason in one of the umpteen threads about shots to goal ratios.

I have a very high tempo tactic that can create similar types of chances on a consistent basis yet the conversion rate of those similar chances can vary. Unless someone from SI confirms or denies the effect of tempo on a player's decisions and ability to score in those types of situations we'll never know.

You have the solution to so many people's problems but your FM ethics prevent you from tipping. What a shame

I can see you on your deathbed:-

"Son....Son......come closer, I have something I need to tell you.....the key to FM 08 was.....focus passing down the flanks.....and creative freedom of 13 notches....uuuuuugh"

Jimbokav1971

To be honest, I do on occasion give out little titbits, but to be honest, you would probably be MUCH better off going into the T&TGF if help is required.

In terms of tactics, I worked out a VERY long time ago, that unless you understand, (a) what you want your players to do, (b) why you want them to do it, and (C) what the possible repercussions of them doing it may be, then whatever tactic you select will eventually become obsolete because you will be unable to adapt it over time and/or select the right players for the right positions.

Anyway, it's far more likely that I've just got lucky because everyone else in my league is pish .

isuckatfm

:thup: No truer words have been spoken. Just because it works for one squad doesn't mean it will work for another. Too many people go looking for generic quick fixes rather than analysing their own squad and tactics to see what's going wrong.

playmaker

Great original post, terrible thread title (where's the Post Now button gone - oh, it's over there!) and a really interesting discussion. I must be on the wrong forum!

mitja

you guys are having a real intlectual debate here I must admit I have problems understanding you

I just want to coment your title. tempo can affect your player not to score only when he is too damn tired to walk becouse of tempo...so it could happen to me, not to a pro player.

Amaroq

So, I can certainly see the argument that Tempo shouldn't impact one-on-ones.

However, the average chance *in the box*, shouldn't Tempo have an impact?

For example, my playmaking midfielder has the ball on the eighteen, back to goal. He turns and cuts a nifty through ball towards the spot. My striker breaks the offsides trap to reach the ball a half-step ahead of his defender, who maybe has a hidden grip on his shirt.

Does he fire first-touch, or does he take one more touch to settle?

Which slider should impact that decision? Or should that be entirely down to his mental attributes?

Sliders I could imagine impacting his decision:
<LI>Mentality - I'd rather it not, tbh. He's a striker. In the box. He should be looking to score.

<LI>Tempo - If I'm going to have any input into it at all, this is the one I'd want. High Tempo should guide him towards the one-time shot, Low Tempo should nudge him towards the extra touch to settle.

<LI>Time Wasting - I'd really hope this doesn't impact the decision at all. This is a scoring chance, flat out, and if he can score that wastes far more time than any other action he could take here!

<LI>Creative Freedom[/*] - I'd expect high Creative Freedom to push this decision more onto the shoulders of his mental attributes. In other words:
- A player with excellent Decisions but poor Technique would know he needs a touch to settle
- A player with excellent Decisions and great Technique would try the one-timer, so as not to give the defender time to cut it out
- A player with poor Decisions and great Technique might settle anyways, and
- A player with poor Decisions and poor Technique might try that first-time shot.

Low Creative Freedom, on the other hand, would increase the impact of the Tempo slider on his decision. "Do what I tell you, darn it!"

... Thoughts?

mitja

the only things that should influence him in scoring oportunity is his decision, composure and flair. what he is going to do with it (chip, burst, drible...). I believe that players react instinctivly in these situations. none of team instructions should have any impact on it.

Jimbokav1971

Not to mention shooting of course, heading, (if it's a headed chance), determination, (will he put his foot or head in where it hurts), technique and long shots linked with decisions, (does he have the ability to lob the keeper from 40 yards when the chance presents itself), teamwork, (is there a another player better placed).

Jimbokav1971

The best strikers act instinctively, (whether they be defenders midfielders or attackers). Many though are not so lucky and have to work VERY hard to do certain things.

A player such as Robbie Fowler or that new Arsenal Brazilian/Croat look like they were born to score. Then you see the likes of Kuyt and Crouch who do not have a jot of the "instict" of these to sublime finishers.