retired_tania

I believe you will find that your typical England save will have about 20,000-30,000 players loaded, so to complain about an additional 2,000 is simply comical.

It is an option at the start of the game (not to load 11 players, but to retain players from certain nations). You can also retain players via a DDT file. DDT files go in
My Documents/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2008/db/[NAME OF YOUR DATABASE]/edt/

Here's an example of a DDT file that will retain all players from Africa and Asia. It results in a 50,000-60,000 player database, only double what you would get by playing just England alone. With Detail Level turned down for unnecessary competitions (like the Olympics), it runs VERY quickly on my 2.8 GHz system with 1GB of DDR2 RAM. I am running ALL of Asia, Africa, and Iceland as well as England with this set up, and i never have speed issues.

"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Afghanistan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "American Samoa"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Andorra"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Angola"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Azerbaijan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Bahrain"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Bangladesh"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Benin"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Bhutan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Botswana"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Brunei Darussalam"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Burundi"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Cambodia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Cape Verde Islands"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Central African Republic"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Chad"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "China PR"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Chinese Taipei"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Comoros"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Cook Islands"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Democratic Republic of Congo"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Djibouti"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "East Timor"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Egypt"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Equatorial Guinea"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Eritrea"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Ethiopia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Faroe Islands"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Fiji"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Gabon"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Grenada"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Guadeloupe"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Hong Kong"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Iceland"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "India"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Indonesia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Iran"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Iraq"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Japan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Jordan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Kazakhstan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Kenya"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Kuwait"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Kyrgyzstan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Laos"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Lebanon"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Lesotho"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Libya"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Liechtenstein"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Luxembourg"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Macau"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Madagascar"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Malawi"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Malaysia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Maldives"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Malta"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Martinique"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Mauritania"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Mauritius"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Mayotte"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Mongolia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Montserrat"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Mozambique"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Myanmar"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Namibia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Nepal"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "New Caledonia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "New Zealand"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Niger"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "North Korea"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Oman"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Pakistan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Palestine"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Panama"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Papua New Guinea"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Qatar"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Reunion"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Rwanda"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Saint Lucia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Saint Martin"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Samoa"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "San Marino"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "São Tomé & Principe"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Saudi Arabia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Seychelles"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Sierra Leone"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Singapore"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Solomon Islands"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Somalia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "South Africa"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "South Korea"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Sri Lanka"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Sudan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Surinam"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Swaziland"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Syria"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Tahiti"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Tajikistan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Tanzania"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Thailand"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "The Congo"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "The Gambia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "The Philippines"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Tonga"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Turkmenistan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Turks and Caicos Islands"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Uganda"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "United Arab Emirates"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Uzbekistan"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Vanuatu"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Vietnam"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Yemen"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Zambia"
"RETAIN_NATION_PLAYERS" "Zimbabwe" </BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you're saying is that you can retain all players from all nations and it would run smoothly?

retired_w0lfpack1

So, the problem I see with Chas' solution is that it only impacts the start of the game. From my experiences with FM'05, I don't think the "retained" players regenerated with a long-term game; in other words, though you might start the game with all players of Tanzanian nationality, and have the Tanzania national team have 25 real players and be manageable ..

.. by 2020, they would be down to 1 or 2 real players, and the rest grey.

That may not be true with the Fred system.. but it may be.

* * * *

What I'd like to see is an option, essentially, "Make all national teams of X continent 'playable'."

This would do basically what C(r)ouch was describing:

<LI> Enough players of each nationality in the continent would be retained to staff at least the senior national side with sufficient players to be "human manageable". Say, 35-40 players.

<LI> If there are fewer than 35-40 players in the DB, "Fred" players would be generated to fill out the numbers; they would typically be assigned to clubs in the presumably-unplayable-league of the country in question.

<LI> If there are sufficient players to 'man' their youth side(s) as well, that would also be included.

<LI> Key point: The Fred system would be tweaked in such a way that each country in the continent would *always* have sufficient players of a quality on-par with the country's starting-DB value that a human player could take over and become the manager.

<LI> International competitions for that continent would automatically be set to Full detail (This could still be modified via the current UI)

For example, if I start a Small DB game with just England loaded, by 2020 there may only be 25-50 "real" Argentinian players in the world. Not all of them may be of sufficient quality to keep Argentina a world power.

By contrast, if I had used "Make all national teams from South America playable", there would be something like 100 "real" Argentine players in the game at 2020, and while some of those might be youth-quality-at-best, there should be 25 quality players to pick from for a World Cup squad.

I'd imagine some managers would use this for Europe, e.g., ensuring that Estonia, San Marino, et al have their national teams stocked with real players. South America has few enough teams that it would be a very "cheap" buy, in game terms.

For those with better computers, Africa might be an entertaining option ..

.. but it would also serve to "enable" some "LLM" international play, such as trying to manage the St. Kitts team in CONCACAF, or the Cook Islands in the OFC.

retired_tania

:thup: :thup: :thup: I think it would make a good/great FM 09 new feature, it only depends on how well they would implant it