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Old 02-22-2007, 04:31 AM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #1
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If you are using two strikers up front it is a combination of the following:

1. Fast striker and tall striker.
2. Two fast strikers.

You can then further break it down by assigning who if any will be given a targetman role:

1. Fast striker and tall striker - fast striker as target man.
2. Fast striker and tall striker - tall striker as taget man.
3. Two fast strikers - best one as target man.

Now the service from other players to the target man will be either to head (for the tall good header striker), run onto ball for the pacy striker or to feet (for the strong and fast striker).

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1. If you are using the fast striker as target man and alongside him is a tall striker how do you get the tall striker heading balls to the fast striker? Should wingers be looking to cross to the target man or the tall player in this scenario?

2. Is it even worth making the fast striker a target man if you have a tall man alongside him?

3. If you are using the tall striker as target man how do you set each striker up in terms of mentality and forward runs in particular so that the fast striker benefits from the knock ons from the tall player?

Would appreciate theories and thoughts on all or any of the above. Thank you in advance .
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:59 AM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #2
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Originally posted by Dayle Wood:
If you are using two strikers up front it is a combination of the following:

1. Fast striker and tall striker.
2. Two fast strikers.

You can then further break it down by assigning who if any will be given a targetman role:

1. Fast striker and tall striker - fast striker as target man.
2. Fast striker and tall striker - tall striker as taget man.
3. Two fast strikers - best one as target man.

Now the service from other players to the target man will be either to head (for the tall good header striker), run onto ball for the pacy striker or to feet (for the strong and fast striker).

Questions
1. If you are using the fast striker as target man and alongside him is a tall striker how do you get the tall striker heading balls to the fast striker? Should wingers be looking to cross to the target man or the tall player in this scenario?

I would be looking to place him as the 'distribute to' player in the goalkeeper options, and then have both full-backs and wingers crossing to his position i.e. far post or near post, depeding on which side of the pitch he/they are based.

2. Is it even worth making the fast striker a target man if you have a tall man alongside him?

I haven't tried it but I know The next Diaby has with some success

3. If you are using the tall striker as target man how do you set each striker up in terms of mentality and forward runs in particular so that the fast striker benefits from the knock ons from the tall player?

Target man to have much lower mentality (14 versus 20 in my current RoO set-up) with forward runs set to none. I also feed him with mixed balls as he can run with ball and hold it up equally well. Currently he is averaging 8.15ish and scoring at a goal a game with these settings whereas the fast striker is playing at about 7.90 with a similar strike rate. It also helps to have high mentality wingers with forward runs often as they will benefit from his knock-ons/HUB and feeds (through balls to mixed).

Would appreciate theories and thoughts on all or any of the above. Thank you in advance .
Hope that helps a little
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:21 AM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #3
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thanks mate. I'll implement those ideas and see how she looks...
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:25 PM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #4
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wwfan

Can you just give me a few hints on your current front two set-up - I'm struggling to score at present.

Target man: Fwd runs - none, mentality 14, HUB - ?

Fast striker: Fwd runs - ?, mentality 20?

Finally can you tell me what mentality settings your midfield players are on (wingers and AMC).

Cheers...
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Can you just give me a few hints on your current front two set-up - I'm struggling to score at present.

Target man: Fwd runs - none, mentality 14, HUB - ?

Fast striker: Fwd runs - ?, mentality 20?

Finally can you tell me what mentality settings your midfield players are on (wingers and AMC).

Cheers...
Target Man (FCL): FWR = Rarely, mentality = 14, HUB = Yes, TTB = Mixed, RWB = Mixed, Long Shots = Mixed, Cross Ball = Mixed to Mixed from Byline, CF = Lowish

Second Striker (FCR): FWR = Mixed, Mentality = 20, HUB = No, TTB = Mixed, RWB = Often, Long Shot = Rarely, Cross Ball = Mixed to Far Post from Byline, CF = Lowish

Wingers: Farrowed to FR/L, FWR = Often, Mentality = 18, HUB = No, TTB = Mixed, RWB = Mixed/Often, Long Shot = Mixed/Rarely, Cross Ball = Mixed to Far Post from Byline (MR) to Mixed from Byline (ML), CF = High

MCa: FWR = Often, Mentality = 19, HUB = No, RWB = Mixed, TTB = Mixed, Long Shot = Mixed, Cross BAll = Rarely, Swap with MCd, CF = Highish
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Old 02-25-2007, 09:06 AM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #6
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That is so strange.

wwfan i've been reading your guides for quite a bit, and i do distinctly remember somewhere where you said that FCs and AMCs should be given a good amount of creative freedom to create spaces without their penalty area, while wingers should be lowish to prevent them from stepping in. Why the change of heart?

I would love for you to share your opinion on this.

Anyway, i've been struggling to get my AMC to act as a target man. Currently he does flick-ons but mostly to the wingers(i think its because he plays his back to goal), and ever so rarely to the fast striker. How i make him start doing flick-ons to the strikers readily? i employ a 4-3-3 diamond.

2 FCs-19
AMC-18

I'm just wondering an AMC is really not suited for the target man role.
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Old 02-26-2007, 11:08 AM   The two strikers up front - service and targetman role Post #7
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wwfan

Just one more little question... can you give a brief explanation as to why the TM and ST mentality settings are 6 notches apart.

Is this to make sure that balls played from the defence are aimed at the TM? Or is it to keep his mentality in the normal range which helps with the hold up ball setting?

This is a really interesting set-up and I'd just like to understand it fully.

Many thanks...
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