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Yeah, thisd games crazy! Me and my mate who are having a network had like a 1000 word debate over MSN as to our positions in the career! We might all be sad, but we're in good company!
In this conversation, I'm Andy by the way. Oh dear, I'm obsessed! What a game, and what a sense of achievement I got from winning the BSN play offs in the first season with Redditch who were predicted bottom! Anyway - here's the conversation - feel free to laugh!
Rooky says:
well there are many more seasons in this career
Rooky says:
and things could change
Andy says:
Indeed they could
Andy says:
And that's what I'm trying to prevent, and what you're trying to ensure happens.
Andy says:
I don't think you're thinking of my team's well being when you say do it in January, instead I think your thinking about speed.
Rooky says:
I think we took charge we both made an immediate impact in our respective positions. But I think you went more for the huge impact and doing everything asap attitude. I think I went more for the let's take things slowly and lets get us turning the screw slowly but surely approach.
Rooky says:
*when we took charge
Andy says:
I think that's ********.
Rooky says:
as in getting promoted asap
Rooky says:
not continuing asap
Rooky says:
i'm talking about results here
Rooky says:
not the way we play the game
Andy says:
We both opted for the same approach, such was the 4 point difference between us. We both wanted promotion, we both took the same approach. You can say that in hindsight but in reality we both sought the same. You wanted promotion as much as, if not more than me. I've already stated I might feel more comfortable in my progression as a manager if I was still in the Blue Square North.
Rooky says:
I o have to admit Ifeel more comfortable this season than I did last
Andy says:
The thing is, if you take the results from when we played each other away, against other teams you actually achieved better results. Somehow you picked up 2 extra points in those 40 matches. We were both on the same road, it all came down to what happened when we played each other, and for whatever reason my approach was better than yours, and I went on to win both matches, and deservingly so.
Rooky says:
As last season was more of a whirlwind really
Andy says:
The fact is we were both on the same road, in the same boat. We both were surprised with how well we ended up doing. We convinced ourselves that it was "all about 50 points" and then when we met that aim we both went out with all guns blazing, knowing we could really do something, but there was almost an inevitability that only one could succeed in promotion. You WERE better in those 40 games!
Andy says:
Read!
Rooky says:
well you finished 6 ponts ahead of me
Rooky says:
*points
Andy says:
Oh right ...
Rooky says:
i finished 4 points off the playoffs
Andy says:
Well we did equally well in those fixtures when we weren't up against each other. If you take those games between us out of the big picture, then we both did equally well and both of our minds were set on building up sides to fight for promotion next year, it looked a possibility that one of us would obtain premature promotion, and it was so. But our mindsets were the same.
Andy says:
And you'd be a fool to say my team aren
Andy says:
't ready to survive in the BSP.
Andy says:
I mean look at us, 4th in the BSP, and that's having had two consecutive disappointments.
Rooky says:
i'm not saying you can't survive
Rooky says:
but you're doing it the hard way
Rooky says:
instead of steadily building yourself up
Andy says:
The question is, as a manager would it be better for the development of my career if I hadn't obtained this potentially premature promotion. I mean, bloody hell, if this is kept up I could be in the football league for next year, never could I have dreamt that up!
Andy says:
But is it the hard way? I've found it the easy way, our aim, to survive in the BSP, bloody easy. I'm 4th for goodness sake! Whereas you are on target, I'm WAY above target. Which is easier I ask myself? Which is exceeding target with greater ease? Me. I
Rooky says:
i'm already above my target
Andy says:
It would almost have been nice to miss out in the final, to spend another year developing the team, my knowledge of the team and my ability as manager.
Rooky says:
this is what i'm getting at
Andy says:
Well, I'm talking REAL targets. In your head, if you missed out on promotion you'd be disappointed.
Rooky says:
and this is the luxury i have now
Andy says:
Our mindests were exactly the same when we set out on the long and grueling task, but the results obtained are different. My two victories over you sealed my fate.
Rooky says:
yeah
Andy says:
"But I think you went more for the huge impact and doing everything asap attitude. I think I went more for the let's take things slowly and lets get us turning the screw slowly but surely approach." As a manager, you can never act to anything but the best of your ability. We both took the same approach. This is just wrong. It was the end result which was different, but we were on the same mission
Andy says:
I really would have liked to take things slowly, it's that second season where you really get to know the abilities of your players, to test them, to know what needs to happen and where and to get your head ready for the Blue Square Premier. But, I'm up now, no longer am I top notch in my division, no longer can I sit back and learn of my teams capabilities. But hang on, I'm 4th. Hmmm.
Rooky says:
its been good discussing with you
Andy says:
I'm clearly doing a sterling job in the Blue Square Premier, but it's this premature promotion which means the mindset is not quite there, this that is giving me itchy feet. We've come on, leaps and bounds, but am I ready? Hmmm. But then again, it's a game, what the hell am I talking about? It must be a bloody good game to provoke this sort of discussion. Somehow I'm out of my comfort zone.
Andy says:
And this, is what makes FM great! These discussions! So in depth!
Rooky says:
you make a good point
Rooky says:
if you do o up this season then you'll have an ace chance of bagging a big job
Rooky says:
by big i mean maybe huddersfield
Andy says:
And this is also where it's good not to rush or to wait until January, but to sit back and discuss and review our respective situations.
Andy says:
Yeah!
Rooky says:
but you also have to admit, like I do with Vauxhall, it would be very hard to leave Redditch considering how far you've taken them
Andy says:
But I'll tell ya what ... I've sat back and written about 10/11/12 massive chunks of texts all about a pc game! What a game. How immensely interesting. And what a discussion we've had!
Rooky says:
yeah
Rooky says:
but you also have to admit, like I do with Vauxhall, it would be very hard to leave Redditch considering how far you've taken them
Rooky says:
read
Andy says:
In a sense yes, but the fact that I've taken them up so quickly gives me less time to get attached to them. To sit back and think, to stick with a particular squad. It's all about building, ASAP. Weird.
Rooky says:
yeah
Rooky says:
would you sign any redditch players for a higher league club?
Andy says:
You get more attached if you work, slowly but surely.
Andy says:
Without a doubt!
Andy says:
Supposing we were each 2 leagues up ... me league one, you league two. Tell me, which players would you want to take with you, and what standing would they have at your new club?
Rooky says:
well
Rooky says:
does this inclue loanees?
Rooky says:
*include
Rooky says:
right
Rooky says:
gtg
Andy says:
Steele - Starting goalkeeper.
Oji/Manchester - One would start at CB, with a more experienced head.
Raynes/Jarvis - One would slide into the rotation system.
Meguireche - Maybe, just maybe - rotation
Rooky says:
i'll stay on
Andy says:
yes, it does include loanees.
Andy says:
k
Rooky says:
as i'll be back
Rooky says:
bye
Andy says:
I'd also take -
Nardiello AND Elding - One would start - one bench ...
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