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Please look at those screenshots first. I am managing Canada.

I am not even going to bother with the obvious bug or cheating or whatever you want to call it where Bahamas had 3 shots on goal and scored 3 while I had 19 and scored 4. I will not complain about the fact that I was loosing 3-0 to a team who I am much better then.

But what I have a problem with is the fact that my goalkeeper let in 3 goals and made no saves and gets a match rating of 7. That performance deserves a 2 or a 3 but how does he get a 7? The opposition goalkeeper saved 15 shots and let in 4 and gets a 6. Now that performance should have a 7 or something but maybe a 6 is also fair? But compare the opposition goalkeepers performance to my goalkeepers performance and he should have a 10. This isnt the first time I have seen this. I have seen this many times. Almost always. The human controlled team's goalkeeper always gets higher ratings to make it look like he is playing better. Why would Si do that? Because the AI keepers are always performing better and this is used to disguise that fact. Si really need to fix this blatant attempt to deceive us.

eXistenZ

Si is not deceiving us they are screwing us. I need to reload every match to get a result that reflect the chances. Right now i lost to real with Milan
My shots on target: 15 off target: 15
Their shot on target: 4 off target: 5
Final score 2-1 for real. Just complete crap.

Bongo-Bongo

The problem is, these stats don't actually tell the whole story. For all we know, the Bahamas goalie may have been at fault for at least one of the goals, whilst, although your goalie diodn't make a save, we can't tell how many crosses plucked out of the air. Looking at the cross completion stat for the Bahamas, it looks like it's possible it could be quite a few, so it's possible this helped his rating. I won't deny that it seems odd, but there could be more to this then meets the eye.

I also noticed that the Bahamas scored their final goal in the 47th minute. This is pure speculation on my behalf, as I have no eveidence to back this up, but, on my current save, I have noticed that if a goalie has been doing badly, but then goes for a long period of time with little to do, or anything of any importance, then his match rating may creep up a little, whilst if a goalie is playing a blinder, and then lets two quick goals in, his rating can plummit, and in the case of the Bahamas, this happened twice, so this is a possibility. Like I said though, I have no real evidence of this, bar one or two matches, which isn't really enough, but it's a possibility.

T-Bag

The stats have been borderline useless for a few versions now and I was hoping this may have been reworked in FM08. But like EVERYTHING ELSE it's been left exactly the bloody same because "FM08 is our greatest game ever!"

I beat a team 4-3 the other day and the opposition goalkeeper got a 10 ?? Sometimes my GK will save 10 shots, not concede a goal and get a 6 ?

But outfield is where the main problem is. You can be a couple of goals down and all of your players just get rated 6 or 7 and possibly the occasional 5. They need to use the full range of ratings to give you an understanding of why your team is playing bad. Look at ratings in a newspaper after a team wins a game and find me one where the entire team gets 7's and 8's.

The rating system is just one of many areas which is borderline broken on FM08.

gavnoble

Of course the fact that your strikers probably have poor finishing, anticipation and composure skills doesn't come into the equation does it?

Glyn

And that's if the manager knows how to use them properly.

Jimmyt

Why would the Bahamas have such brilliant strikers though?

I just came on to talk about the same thing. Every time I concede a goal I look at the stats and mroe often than not it'll be their first shot.

If I'm restricting the opposition to two chances in a game, then my defence is doing well. But in real life teams don't continually score every chance they get.

Ackter

Win every game? [Yes/No]

Seriously.

Jimmyt

No.

But this happens way too often.

You have to carve out 5 or 10 chances for ewach goasl but whoever you play can score with their first chance time after time.

I don't want to win EVERY game. I want to have a fighting chance against oposition teams. And that means a modicum of reality in the chances/goals ratio on BOTH sides of the equation.

These are my last two games and both of them have the opposition scoring with their first shot (or two with their first two)

Fulham

West Ham

I could go back further for more examples.

gavnoble

I always tend to give the same reply to this fault - are the same people complaining about this when it happens to them as vocal on here when they are dominate and yet win with their only shot on goal? Answer, no. I've had as many games where I've been dominated and yet won than I have where I've dominated and lost to a team's only two shots on target etc.

People who complain about their teams' shot to goal ratio should perhaps look at real life football a bit more - even the best teams in England such as Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool all have far more shots on goal than they actually score, with a fair proportion of them being off target. They lose to teams who have fewer shots on goal - in some cases an oppositions only shot - so I guess this is a bug and SI ned to sort it out in real life as well?