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01-12-2008, 07:02 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #51 | | Newb
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Originally posted by eXistenZ:
Why should i put effort in prooving something everyone with common sense knows already
| Nice.
With that arguement you're claiming that everyone who has a different opinion than yours has no common sense.
Not only going in against good manners but also against forum etiquette.
*ploink*
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01-12-2008, 07:03 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #52 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Bongo-Bongo:
Out of interest, how many people who experience a poor shot to goal ratio have gone back through the match report to look at all of the shots and see if there is a reason why so many are being missed? It is incredibly boring, but I found it worthwhile.
I have created one tactic that was seeing my team creating chances but not taking them, so I decided to go through the match reports and look at the shots I my players were having. It turned out many of the shots rushed, blocked or from poor positions. One thing I considered is that perhaps my high attacking mentallity was causing my players to shot on sight instead of trying to carve out a decent oppurtunity. As a result, I decided it may be better to to reduce my mentallity a bit. As a result, whiolst my team were creating fewer chances, they were of better quality, and more were going in.
I'm not going to say that there is no issue here (I am undecided as of yet) but surely it would make more sense to try and find a solution to the problem rather then to continually whinge about it?
| I found that whilst playing as Aldershot in the Blue square Premier I was getting a large amount of shots compared to goals. I was using a tactic set I imported from my FM2007 game which needed a bit of tweaking. After looking back through match reports and highlights I started noticing that my wingers were getting a lot of chances one-on-one with the keeper after beating the full back with sheer pace and cutting in from the wing. However, so many of their chances were from such bad angles, which combined with their poor finishing, meant they were blazing them wide. I changed their crossing slider so that they would square it for a striker rather than take it on themselves and my team started scoring goals for fun.
I think that a lot of people who complain about things like this have never even has a look at their tactics, let alone try to adjust them to sort out a problem with their team. The logic that "I've got better players, so I don't need tactics!" has been proven to be flawed. Stand up Mr Eriksson and McLaren!
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01-12-2008, 07:09 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #53 | | Registered User
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And there are still nincompoops who look for things that don't even exist. They fall inbto the same stupid category as conspiracy theorists. Roll Eyes
| How can you say this when you have admitted that you have not played 08?????
It has been shown in many threads already that the shots/SOG ratio is accurate to real life.
What hasn't been explained is why human players need 15 shots 7 shots on target to get a goal when the AI only needs 4 shots and only 1 on target. That is what i have in my game.
Of course it is a case of my tactics but what exactly should i change when opposition does not get any good chances but score goals and i have average 5 1&1 + 4 clean shot chances per game and walk away with 1-2 goals??? This is the problem.
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01-12-2008, 07:46 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #54 | | Newb
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Originally posted by nymanr:
<BLOCKQUOTE>And there are still nincompoops who look for things that don't even exist. They fall inbto the same stupid category as conspiracy theorists. Roll Eyes
| How can you say this when you have admitted that you have not played 08?????
It has been shown in many threads already that the shots/SOG ratio is accurate to real life.
What hasn't been explained is why human players need 15 shots 7 shots on target to get a goal when the AI only needs 4 shots and only 1 on target. That is what i have in my game.
Of course it is a case of my tactics but what exactly should i change when opposition does not get any good chances but score goals and i have average 5 1&1 + 4 clean shot chances per game and walk away with 1-2 goals??? This is the problem. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Exactly!  ...Intresting to read that there are no problems from the guy who has stated that he doesn't even have FM2008!!1
No FM2008 = No problems... well I cannot say that mr. Gavnoble is inccorect with his statement.
Allthough it is somewhat hilarious to get these expert comments from him after that statement.
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01-12-2008, 08:04 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #55 | | Newb
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WTF Gavnoble doesn't even have the game, what the heck is he coming to this forum saying i'm wrong. little show of respect, let alone knowledge.
I wonder which clinic he is in?
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01-12-2008, 08:16 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #56 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by nymanr:
What hasn't been explained is why human players need 15 shots 7 shots on target to get a goal when the AI only needs 4 shots and only 1 on target. That is what i have in my game.
| Because the AI generally knows how to create better chances, in the same way that Bongo-Bongo and Gypsum have shown how a human manager can do the same.
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01-12-2008, 08:18 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #57 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by eXistenZ:
WTF Gavnoble doesn't even have the game, what the heck is he coming to this forum saying i'm wrong. little show of respect, let alone knowledge.
I wonder which clinic he is in?
| You complaining about someone not showing respect is the pot calling the kettle 'grimy arse'.
You already have a warning to your name. I suggest you start to take notice of it.
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01-12-2008, 08:26 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #58 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Glyn:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by eXistenZ:
WTF Gavnoble doesn't even have the game, what the heck is he coming to this forum saying i'm wrong. little show of respect, let alone knowledge.
I wonder which clinic he is in?
| You complaining about someone not showing respect is the pot calling the kettle 'grimy arse'.
You already have a warning to your name. I suggest you start to take notice of it. </BLOCKQUOTE>
If he hadn't opened his mouth about something he doesn't know about in the first place, nothing would have happened.
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01-12-2008, 08:37 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #59 | | Newb
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Originally posted by eXistenZ:
I would agree with you, but i made Milan better in the database so it is not really an issue. Also Gilardini is good enough for Milan in that way. Also i use the real-time editor to fix the dropping mental stats, because it is unrealistic.
So it are not the players, it's the complet ****ed up, prehistorical, screwed match engine
| That's what I was implying, it's ridiculous to claim that AC Milan can't score and this often. It was just directed to those fools who simply deny FM is having any kind of problem. Be it then the crap from anti-SI-Bashing gang.
But it really is funny that so many lack the brain or anything to see that there are clearly things wrong which can't be explained with "it's your team and tactics"-things. If these guys know that much about football they would realize that the problem is either A) FM is greatly flawed because it is very random whether you succeed or not even with best teams or B) FM is flawed because AC Milan is incorrectly presented in the game if it sucks that much.
Whatever the case is, I really don't get why people bother arguing and defending FM here because they have absolutely no evidence how these things work. But if someone feels there is something wrong and they want clarification, why can't they post here? People who don't have these problems aren't doing anything here because very seldom seem even willing to understand, not to even mention being able to. Sure, everyone has the right to say their thing but don't then blame complainers about making these forums bad or anything as the only problem is opposers being intolerant and selfish.
Why don't everyone feeling the game is great create their own threads to hail SI and FM and leave people who don't think that way alone and let SI to answer? What on earth you think you are gaining? You are doing nothing but making these discussions very unpleasant to read as they are dragged from valid arguments and questions to abusing etc. Nobody is going to change their mind if some fanboi comes here blindly attacking everyone who criticize FM. Why do you bother? Answer is that you are yourselves more stupid than people who complain.
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01-12-2008, 08:47 PM
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Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #60 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by eXistenZ:
If he hadn't opened his mouth about something he doesn't know about in the first place, nothing would have happened.
| So because someone says something you disagree with, it gives you the right to be offensive and say it's their fault? What a charming world you live in.
Stop trying to blame others and take responsibility for your own actions instead.
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