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Old 01-12-2008, 06:05 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #31
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I just don't see it as the huge problem as everyone else does - but then part of that is that I'm still playing FM 2007 and not FM 2008, so can't really comment on that match engine.
Why did you then?
The match engine didn't seem too bad after a couple of patches to 07, 08 is a shambles but because it made #1 on the charts it's the greatest game ever according to SI.
SI admitted the stuff up early in the piece and the tweaks they made after that have resulted in the dodgy stats.
I have had some of those games where I had less shots than the opposition and still won, but it is still a problem whether we win or lose. Hell, the best way to win on this game is probably to try and have a lot less shots than the opposition.

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I don't think there are too many shots, rather that the game creates an unrealistic number of 1-on-1 chances (much more than in real life). Because there are normally not too many of these in real life in each match, a lot of these aren't scored in the game so as to keep the scorelines from becoming too large.
Nail-on-head. :thup:
SI didn't know how or couldn't fix it so they fixed it.

I still play and it probably is playable, but there are problems with this game that cannot be denied.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:12 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #32
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The problem is there are still nincompoops who deny them
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:15 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #33
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Originally posted by HonkyDick:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by gavnoble:
I just don't see it as the huge problem as everyone else does - but then part of that is that I'm still playing FM 2007 and not FM 2008, so can't really comment on that match engine.
Why did you then?
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How about because every single year you get the same posts from people kmoaning about something that I just don't see as being an issue. If you compare shots to goals ratios between real life football and the game there is not too much difference.

People often look for someone to blame when they don't pick up a win on the game and in this case, the match engine seems to be the easy target, instead of looking at their own players - and dare I say - tactics, or even thridly just putting it down to one of those days that even the best teams have from time to time.

You can't win every game you play and losing is frustrating, particualrly when you have dominated but as I said earlier I have had just as many occasions on the game where I have been dominated yet still won the game as to when I have dominated and lost.

To me this is like the so called superkeeper 'bug' that people are always complaining about - it's something that doesn't exist despite what people think.

Bottom line is if they win they they are God's gift to management, if they lose then it's SI to blame because they've made the AI biased against them.

End of the day it's only a poxy computer game, it's hardly life or death.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:16 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #34
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The problem is there are still nincompoops who deny them
And there are still nincompoops who look for things that don't even exist. They fall inbto the same stupid category as conspiracy theorists.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:18 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #35
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by eXistenZ:
The problem is there are still nincompoops who deny them
And there are still nincompoops who look for things that don't even exist. They fall inbto the same stupid category as conspiracy theorists. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Look i wouldn't care if my opponent also needs 15 chances. But look at the facts. look at the screenshot! 1/19 versus 1/3. And you say their isn't a problem?
Please go back to the stupid hole you came from
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:21 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #36
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by gavnoble:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by eXistenZ:
The problem is there are still nincompoops who deny them
And there are still nincompoops who look for things that don't even exist. They fall inbto the same stupid category as conspiracy theorists. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Look i wouldn't care if my opponent also needs 15 chances. But look at the facts. look at the screenshot! 1/19 versus 1/3. And you say their isn't a problem?
Please go back to the stupid hole you came from </BLOCKQUOTE>

That'd be my mothers hole, and at 33 years of age, then I don't think there's much chance of that happening dear.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:24 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #37
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Typical. I say 2 lines. One about the game and one offending. You should respond to the one the most important.(= the one about the game)
This time i say it clear because you are obviously stupid.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:28 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #38
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Obviously I must be, after all I keep looking at the same stupid comments about problems that do not exist.

Try going away and looking at some stats from real life football matches, compare the goals to shot ratios and then come back and tell me if there is a problem. The results will surprise you but of course this would involve you actually making some sort of effort on your part, which I doubt you actually want to do because you don't wish to be proved wrong.
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If you dig around there's a thread I started somewhere in GQ where I managed to lose a game where the other team played with ten players for almost two hours and had either one or zero shots on goal.

The fans must have had a proper head scratcher on the busses home.
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Old 01-12-2008, 06:34 PM   Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us? Post #40
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Obviously I must be, after all I keep looking at the same stupid comments about problems that do not exist.

Try going away and looking at some stats from real life football matches, compare the goals to shot ratios and then come back and tell me if there is a problem. The results will surprise you but of course this would involve you actually making some sort of effort on your part, which I doubt you actually want to do because you don't wish to be proved wrong.
But this is not a real fotball match. And even then. A week ago, i looked at the bbc about the FA cup matches. They showed the statistics of every match. And as far as i could see, there wasn't a single game that where one team had 6x more chances, but the game still ended in a draw. Yes there were game were it should have been a draw when someone won, or games where there should be a winner where there was a drawn but never something that obvious.

Are you a human or an ostrich who puts his (empty) head in the sand?
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