Si making a blatant attempt to deceive us?

retired_dego72 · 01-12-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by gavnoble:
I always tend to give the same reply to this fault - are the same people complaining about this when it happens to them as vocal on here when they are dominate and yet win with their only shot on goal? Answer, no. I've had as many games where I've been dominated and yet won than I have where I've dominated and lost to a team's only two shots on target etc.

People who complain about their teams' shot to goal ratio should perhaps look at real life football a bit more - even the best teams in England such as Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool all have far more shots on goal than they actually score, with a fair proportion of them being off target. They lose to teams who have fewer shots on goal - in some cases an oppositions only shot - so I guess this is a bug and SI ned to sort it out in real life as well?

Actually yes, as this issue (which we all know is a known isse with the match engine) can be exploited by us as unlike the AI we know that there are certain chances we can allow in huge numbers that wont get scored.

Using certain tactics (not outlandish or super tactics) this scenario happens game after game- this is not right.

Gav, Yes it happens in real life- but not as often as it does in FM, and certainly the amount of chances created in FM at times is very rare in real life.

There was no need for another thread, but also I cant believe people are actually also ignoring the fact that this is a known issue and one that should be fixed in the patch.

retired_faline50 · 01-12-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by gavnoble:
I always tend to give the same reply to this fault - are the same people complaining about this when it happens to them as vocal on here when they are dominate and yet win with their only shot on goal? Answer, no. I've had as many games where I've been dominated and yet won than I have where I've dominated and lost to a team's only two shots on target etc.

I bet you understand yourself too how human mind works. Who really gets angry if they benefit? I think everyone would only be happy to win. And what you really would think if someone came here ranting that they are winning too easily

?

I find it funny when it happens, while it isn't too frequent nowadays because 9/10 times it goes against me. But it surely brings enjoyment and isn't any "injustice" against anybody. I really don't care if I win a "realistic" computer game by unrealistic way, but it bugs me very much to lose unrealistically every second match or something. It's different if I was playing against another human, it wouldn't be that satisfiable at all to "cheat".

retired_vocostoner311 · 01-12-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by gavnoble:
Of course the fact that your strikers probably have poor finishing, anticipation and composure skills doesn't come into the equation does it?

And what about this? all my strikers have at least 18 for finishing an are mental ok

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?i...4059498lx7.png

Start to open your eyes

retired_donnie · 01-12-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmyt:
No.

But this happens way too often.

You have to carve out 5 or 10 chances for ewach goasl but whoever you play can score with their first chance time after time.

I don't want to win EVERY game. I want to have a fighting chance against oposition teams. And that means a modicum of reality in the chances/goals ratio on BOTH sides of the equation.

These are my last two games and both of them have the opposition scoring with their first shot (or two with their first two)

Fulham

West Ham

I could go back further for more examples.

And again.

Shocker.

Three times in four games that the opposition has scored with their first shot. This time, of course, it was the ubiquitous 25 yard free-kick supergoal that it's tactically impossible to defend against.

retired_Christia17 · 01-12-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by eXistenZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by gavnoble:
Of course the fact that your strikers probably have poor finishing, anticipation and composure skills doesn't come into the equation does it?

And what about this? all my strikers have at least 18 for finishing an are mental ok

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?i...4059498lx7.png

Start to open your eyes </BLOCKQUOTE>

What are their anticipation stats? What are their composure stats? No point having a finishing ability of 18 if you don't have good anticipatyion and composure stats is there?

My eyes are open by the way - they need to be to type! :p

I just don't see it as the huge problem as everyone else does - but then part of that is that I'm still playing FM 2007 and not FM 2008, so can't really comment on that match engine.

retired_rachelbrook415 · 01-12-2008, 02:06 PM

SI what is your reply to these very valid points???

It's strange that this type of topic is never replied to by SI at all.............

retired_donnie · 01-12-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmyt:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Jimmyt:
No.

But this happens way too often.

You have to carve out 5 or 10 chances for ewach goasl but whoever you play can score with their first chance time after time.

I don't want to win EVERY game. I want to have a fighting chance against oposition teams. And that means a modicum of reality in the chances/goals ratio on BOTH sides of the equation.

These are my last two games and both of them have the opposition scoring with their first shot (or two with their first two)

Fulham

West Ham

I could go back further for more examples.

And again.

Shocker.

Three times in four games that the opposition has scored with their first shot. This time, of course, it was the ubiquitous 25 yard free-kick supergoal that it's tactically impossible to defend against. </BLOCKQUOTE>

And the final score there....

ta da!

retired_faline50 · 01-12-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by gavnoble:
What are their anticipation stats? What are their composure stats? No point having a finishing ability of 18 if you don't have good anticipatyion and composure stats is there?

I could bet again that as the date seems to be April 2008 and the team is AC Milan some who has even a slight clue about football could think that maybe in their best day those strikers could score at least a couple of "lucky" goals...

But on the another hand I'd say that Kaka, Inzaghi and Ronaldo to begin with are sold or injured and therefore they lack that composure and ability to score. Not to mention those suckable other attackers like Gilardino and Pato. So it's pretty obvious that he just doesn't have the players and resources to cut it...

circlewalker · 01-12-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Silver Foxx:
SI what is your reply to these very valid points???

It's strange that this type of topic is never replied to by SI at all.............

There's been plenty of reply from SI about this issue - have a search through some of the other 3million threads on this exact issue. If SI responded to every thread there'd be no time left to actually make the game.

spacy_taz · 01-12-2008, 02:39 PM

Got the opposite problem (or quirk, not sure if it really is a problem).

Playing St Albans vs Oxford, tipped to lose, instead win 3-0 with Oxford taking 18 shots (7 on target) and my team had 19 shots (8 on target).

My keeper saves a penalty in the 47th minute (which would have made the score 2-1 to us, but brought Oxford back into the game) and keeps a clean sheet.

He only gets a rating of 7. I'd have given him a 9 at least!

So, I'm confused as to how a rating is calculated. The ratings have a big affect on confidence (especially in this version of the game) which could ultimately cost a manager his job, so does it need a tweak or is it working as expected, as far as the developers are concerned?

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