retired_scriler

I find the team talk has too much effect on how my team play. I'm winning 3-0 At half time so i tell them i'm plaesed.(which you would be)Then second half they don't bother to play anymore and i end up losing or drawing. This is really annoying and unrealistic.

Back on the topic of AI i find that my team pass 30 metres back to the goalie and it gets intercepted far too often, even when there are simple forwards or sideways passes available. I could accept once every 4-5 games but not 0nce or twice every game. There is no option to tell them not to pass back to the keeper or do it as a last resort. So in general i find i lose most games due to flaws in the game which is why i'm falling out of love with FM after several years of enjoyment.

retired_infinite_dreams

Well i can agree that it dont happen often IRL but because of that it isnt totaly unrealistic. Automatic telling the players that you are pleased everytime they are up 2-0 or 3-0 can have the effect that they stop playing. A better way is to perhaps tell them "Don't let your preformance drop" to ensure that they play the full 90 mins and dont stop after 1st half. You have examples of this in real life to, look at the CL final betweeen Milan and Liverpool. Milan produced a fantastic display during the first half and played brilliant and went 3-0 up. Nothing in the world was talking for that Liverpool could turn the game around, they where simply outplayed all over the pitch. So this kinda things happen irl to, but not as often in the game.

retired_pennyyoung

Originally posted by WH:
Back on the topic of AI i find that my team pass 30 metres back to the goalie and it gets intercepted far too often, even when there are simple forwards or sideways passes available. I could accept once every 4-5 games but not 0nce or twice every game. There is no option to tell them not to pass back to the keeper or do it as a last resort. So in general i find i lose most games due to flaws in the game which is why i'm falling out of love with FM after several years of enjoyment.

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My only peev with this point is that these passes occur frequently when your team are in need of a goal in a match that, shall we say "you're destined to lose," even with more attacking mentality and the clock flies ahead. i still get free kicks back to my goalie, which i have honestly never seen irl under the circumstances.

IMO, the ai does not cheat, however, my guess would be that before every match, it calculates the "winning combinations" for your squad and tactic. if you hit them right you get your result. for instance, if you notice your FRC has a 6 at half time, chances are that it's not his day (in other words, the ai does not figure him in your win, unless you make someother change by devine intervention). if you don't make the right moves or none at all, you lose or draw by ANY means necessary.

somewhat analogous to real life i'm guessing.

retired_elpata

I responded to this

Thats what I disagreed with, to me you suggested tactics are too independent.

I disagree, it makes a whole lot of difference choosing the right players. I can pick certain players who do okay and the average Joe wouldn't notice. yet replace him with someone better suited to that position and you'll reap the benefits imo.

retired_jahangir

Tactics are the most important part of football, end of discussion sure having good players helps, but look what Reading, Greece and the like have achieved without World Class players, you can't seriously expect that teams use the same tactic against Watford as they do against Man Utd in RL, the game reflects this.

retired_josapa

This forum often highlights the way people miss so many different considerable aspects when discussing football. It’s ok saying Reading and Greece when speaking of tactical importance. Yes, tactics are important but does no one consider what I like to call the ‘purple patch’ run of form, I’m sure many of you might have heard that phrase before but for those who don’t it means a team that is playing above itself, hits a hot streak and gets lucky. To me that was Greece.

Yes Greece had to play well to win Euro 2004, no question. Yes they had to out fox better quality teams to do it but ask yourself this…. What did Greece do AFTER euro 2004. Answer? NOTHING. They hit a good run of form at the right time and after the tournament, with the same manager and basically the same team went back to being very ordinary indeed.

Reading on the other hand are no example of amazing tactical prowess at all. Shall I tell you the secret to Reading’s success? Hard work and endeavour, which they have in abundance. To be fair they have some decent players too, but they keep their tactics very simple and work hard for each other. Trust me this can go a long way.

drewopel

What are you smoking? Tweaking before and during the game does not mean an upheaval of your whole formation (in most cases).

You can easily do well in the game with about 4 different mentality variations of the same 4-4-2 (or whatever). home attack, home defence, away attack, and away defence. Pick ther relevant formation at the beginning of the match, and don't change it unless you have made a serious misjudgement, or need something drastic during the game. The shape and mentality is therefore set.

The rest is down to identifitying your strengths and opposition weaknesses, and setting up the remaining instructions to take advantage, and hopefully win the game. During the game you might find areas to exploit, or areas you need to cover better... if you did your homework, you won't need to do this. However, the AI isn't dumb, and will also tweak to gain an advantage, which is obviously where you have to counter again.

xtreme381

i do like the tactical aspect of the game but what i find annoying that you constantly have to adjust your mentality to counter the AI mentality or you'll be creamed even by poor sides.

If i want a challenge i'll play a weaker side but sometimes i just want to focus on transfers and nursing players and other more strategic aspects of the game and i like to play a top 4 team. What i dont like is that even with the strongest players and a solid tactic you'll still have to tinker to counter the opposition, i'm playing ManU damnit and i'll dictate the play let them counter my style for once.

retired_skullking1971

In FM 2007 the players are treated like robots. Imagine saying to a player i'm giving you 15 creativity allowance and then ten minutes into the game reducing it by 2 to the left!
Roy Keane said of Dwight Yorke on Saturday "I keep telling him to sit back but he pushes forward and scores that goal".
That is just one example of the difference between a robot and a player.

drewopel

This is taken into account by certain stats a player has... positioning... team work. Low stats will have the player out of position a lot, doing his own thing.

The really just equates to telling a player to stick to the plan, or stop moving out of position. What is a better way to implement these instructions? (Shouting at the monitor doesn't work).