hockeytown9

Hi!

Had a good string of luck with Ashton Utd. I'm currently in League 2 after 5 seasons. I understand many do move on to greener pastures but call me an idealist, but I'd like to bring them all the way to the Premiership.

However, I find myself boxed in by statdium capacity which the board refuses to increase or even build a new stadium (hard coded so it can't be done?), wages of players skyrocketing, many of my players are greying out and I'm looking for replacements and these replacements are asking salaries of 5,000+ pounds per month when my highest paid player is pulling in 3,800 pounds and the board of course won't increase its salary cap past 4,000 or so.

I don't even want to mention the pittance of a transfer budget that I have when a similar team in my league can buy players worth 120,000 pounds and pay an eye popping salary of 7,000 pounds per month *cough* blood *cough* Bastards must be funded by a country's tax proceeds.

I'm starting to suspect my team won't be able to handle the financial requirements if I manage to make L1 or further. Even now, I'm having to shift whatever costs I can control around just to meet ends meet.

My question is this, have any LLMA managers managed to bring the team they started out with all the way to the top of their country? And how was the journey?

retired_priyaa_00

The path of any LlMa is a rocky one, and there are many perils on the way.

Many have made it to the top with one team, good luck in your quest.

Jump ship for a bigger club when they come calling IMO (tipping)

retired_fabricodalacosta

In a previous game, I took Altrincham to The Championship, so it can be done. That game knacked up though, and I had to start again with the new patch. I think it can be done - I'm sure you can take Ashton a lot further - just might take a bit of time. I think you know in yourself when you have taken a club as far as you can - at that time, it's time to leave and get another job. :thup:

retired_ash2884

I think the economics of a quick rise make the job difficult, it's not like in the old days of Champ Man, where success = more money. Wages cannot rise above a certain level, because the clubs do not have the support to fill a ground. The other problem, is that a Conference National side like Exeter, or Woking, or Hereford e.t.c have a significant fan base, and could possibly cope with a climb up the leagues (though beyond L1 is doubtful). How many people support Hinkley United? All the town has is the Triumph factory, locally the nearest league clubs are Leicester and Coventry and it has a local non-league rival in Nuneaton Borough. Where is it going to get its supporters from?
The trick in real life to rapid promotion is a rich owner (Rushden and Diamonds came from several leagues below Conf South after formation in the mid 1990's to L1) The only team ever to make the rise all the way through in a few decades without a 'big' budget is probably Wimbledon, though they became victims of their own success and didn't have the fanbase to finace a club in the Premiership. The bills rose, they had no ground and had to be sold to a rich Norweigen who turned out to be anything but the sugaer daddy they hoped for and have since slumped and are sinking fast.
So to answer your question, no I don't think it is economically feasible in a decade or so like we used to see. Maybe in time with shrewed accounting and growth a Conf N/S club could reach the top, but it needs time (or good geography - have you got a large catchment area with no big local football team? and then you have to convince them to watch your games instead of Premiership teams on telly)

KingsbayYHPE

Adz iw has covered the real life scenario so I'll have a go at the CM/FM one.

The biggest problem in the game with a meteoric rise to success is that your League position soon outstrips your reputation. I.e., you reach League 1 with the reputation of a Conference South Club and Scouts and Players, and to a great extent your Board, treat you as a Conference Club in that Scouts find players suitable for the Conference and they're way out their depth in League 1.

The Board won't extend your training facilities or ground because, in their AI minds, you've still got the reputation, therefore the position, of a Conference Club.

I used to be a confirmed "one Club to the top" LLaMa, but now I leap from Club to Club like a frog with a cigarette burning its butt.

retired_kswansonwoolf

I think Adz iw covered the subject pretty well. It could certainly happen in CM versions, but i doubt it's a possibility in FM. Reason for this being that FM doesn't throw money at you like previous versions did, while expenses rise abruptly in every league you reach.

retired_kris10nicole

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
Adz iw has covered the real life scenario so I'll have a go at the CM/FM one.

The biggest problem in the game with a meteoric rise to success is that your League position soon outstrips your reputation. I.e., you reach League 1 with the reputation of a Conference South Club and Scouts and Players, and to a great extent your Board, treat you as a Conference Club in that Scouts find players suitable for the Conference and they're way out their depth in League 1.

The Board won't extend your training facilities or ground because, in their AI minds, you've still got the reputation, therefore the position, of a Conference Club.

I used to be a confirmed "one Club to the top" LLaMa, but now I leap from Club to Club like a frog with a cigarette burning its butt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is the reputation just a few seasons behind, or do you find it just rarely moves at all? And how does the speed of change of your clubs reputation compare to that of your own?

I feel IRL small clubs with a meteoric rise tend not to have an enhanced reputation until they have established themselves in a higher division for several seasons, whereas the manager who took them there is usually highly sought after pretty much immediately. I wonder if the game is actually mirroring this correctly?

retired_lizthibert

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mark g:

I feel IRL small clubs with a meteoric rise tend not to have an enhanced reputation until they have established themselves in a higher division for several seasons, whereas the manager who took them there is usually highly sought after pretty much immediately. I wonder if the game is actually mirroring this correctly? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The part about the manager being sought after if probably over compensated in this version of the game. I have managed St Albans in the ECS for nearly 2 seasons. I have exceeded expectations on both seasons and have rejected at least 10 job offers in those 2 seasons. The positions have ranged from Div 1 to Conference clubs. I think this is unrealistic.

retired_kris10nicole

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StanLaurel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mark g:

I feel IRL small clubs with a meteoric rise tend not to have an enhanced reputation until they have established themselves in a higher division for several seasons, whereas the manager who took them there is usually highly sought after pretty much immediately. I wonder if the game is actually mirroring this correctly? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The part about the manager being sought after if probably over compensated in this version of the game. I have managed St Albans in the ECS for nearly 2 seasons. I have exceeded expectations on both seasons and have rejected at least 10 job offers in those 2 seasons. The positions have ranged from Div 1 to Conference clubs. I think this is unrealistic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That certainly ties in with how it was in the last version. In my first game on that, i was getting job offers 10-15 games into my first season, which was utterly ridiculous.

retired_mrsjb

It's a pain, yes, but on the whole I'd rather have it this way than never have the opportunity to move clubs. Some versions of CM if you got sacked you may as well have just given up because it took so long to get a new job.