KingsbayYHPE

Two points, really.

Don't even begin to question the intellect of the users in here, you obviously haven't been around very long.

Don't name players. It'll only get dirty.

retired_kswansonwoolf

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dannyo'shea:
Quote from the 'rules/guidelines':
"playing LLM is about playing the game as realistically as possible"

Is it realistic to decide that the players I have watched and know of in real life get erased from my memory as soon as I take the hotseat at a football club?

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You're mixing up real life management and playing a computer game. When you start off as a lower league manager, you don't know about LL players. That's why we use our scouts to find us prospects to sign. We want their opinion wrt players.

We're trying to play the game realistically. The transfer and loan list don't exist IRL, so we don't use it in the game. And it's also not realistic to browse a player search screen - it also doeasn't exist IRL.

Of course, we do have RL knowledge of players in higher leagues, but the difference is it's of no use to us in the Lower Leagues. Scouting solves all your problems (or should do so, i won't go into that).

retired_mrsjb

Valid point from Kostis.

If you're expecting to sign *shrek* for Altrincham, danny, you're in the wrong place.

The vast majority of the players you do know well IRL are unobtainable.
I know the next retort too: "But I support Bishops Stortford. I know lots of Conference players" - What happens when the researcher for St. Albans has a different opinion to you, or more likely, the game has allowed Mr. Crap's stats to be randomized? What happens when you manage in Hong Kong? You're going to sign someone from Havant and Waterlooville reserves, are you?

The guidelines are there to point anyone who wishes to play LLM in the right general direction. We've found by experience it's better to start with a clean slate. If you don't like that, we don't mind, as long as you stop trying to make us change.

Enjoy your game.

retired_mrsjb

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jcb23:
What happens when the researcher for St. Albans has a different opinion to you, or more likely, the game has allowed Mr. Crap's stats to be randomized?
What happens when you manage in Hong Kong? You're going to sign someone from Havant and Waterlooville reserves, are you?

We've found by experience it's better to start with a clean slate. If you don't like that, we don't mind, as long as you stop trying to make us change.

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Re-posting the parts you apparently didn't read, danny.

KingsbayYHPE

Of course I can see where you're coming from (close your legs!!! ), but Kostis put it very succinctly (is he really Greek? He writes better English than the majority of Pooflanders). We LLaMas play it as a game, and we start from scratch.

It'd be like we were recognising players from a dreamscape, or an alternative reality, if we signed players in the gameworld from the real...erm...you see what I mean?

retired_dawnyyy1

Danny, this is an arguement you won't win, as the guys on this forum have a consensus of opinion, formed no doubt out of compromise, over many years.

If you are content with your logic on how to play the game, then play it that way. However, either;
a) go to another forum
b) lurk
c) play away, post your updates etc but don't bang on about your interpretation of the rules.

My main dispute with using real life knowledge, is that as a Southern Prem team follower, my view of the opposition, match to match, is invariably incorrect due to the high player turnover at NL level. The media coverage at this standard is very minimal (i.e. a report is unlikely to wax lyrical about a defensive midfielder) and so pre-game knowledge is at the best unlikely. The players you're talking about probably won't even consider moving to you.

Finally, as you are so philosophically complex; why ask a question, when you have already decided what the answer is?

retired_lizthibert

This is so much fun, I almost don't want to leave work!

/Gets grips of ones self/

I did say almost!

retired_mrsjb

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dannyo'shea:
I hadnt seen your comment when I posted last jcb.

1. Obviously I don't expect to sign 'shrek' for my conference side, it seems clear that that point DID go over some heads. If I am supposed to disregard all my real life knowledge when I play FM, then I have to pretend I have never heard of 'shrek' and so on and so forth. My level of football knowledge is my level of football knowledge, yours is yours, why shouldn't that be part of what we each bring to the game?

2. The issue of the researchers disagreeing with my assessment of a player is a more pertinent point, and having seen many bizarrely researched players I am well aware of that. I do scout the players concerned

3. If I went to manage in Hong Kong then clearly I will NOT have prior knowledge of players there. So, er, whats your point? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dannyo'shea:
I hadnt seen your comment when I posted last jcb.

1. Obviously I don't expect to sign 'shrek' for my conference side, it seems clear that that point DID go over some heads. If I am supposed to disregard all my real life knowledge when I play FM, then I have to pretend I have never heard of 'shrek' and so on and so forth. My level of football knowledge is my level of football knowledge, yours is yours, why shouldn't that be part of what we each bring to the game?

2. The issue of the researchers disagreeing with my assessment of a player is a more pertinent point, and having seen many bizarrely researched players I am well aware of that. I do scout the players concerned

3. If I went to manage in Hong Kong then clearly I will NOT have prior knowledge of players there. So, er, whats your point? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


OK. Point 1. You mentioned shrek. If you aren't going to be signing him it really doesn't matter does it? Makes your knowledge of him rather irrelevant.

Point 2. I don't have time to scout every single player I've heard of on the off chance they're good in FM. That's why I use an accepted system of finding players.

Point 3. No prior knowledge? What am I going to do now? I'll not be able to find any players. Oh wait. In real life, I read on the GPG that Mr. Goodplayer is fb and will play for peanuts in Hong Kong. I'll use my "real life" knowledge. Yes. I'm being sarcastic. It's to emphasise a point: where do you draw the line?

It's a computer game. We have a consistent approach to the way we play it whether we play in England, Porridge Gobbling Land ((C) Evo) or Outer Mongolia. We feel from our collective experience that is our best way to play the game.

I notice you conveniently ignored the bold text again. Play your game your way. If you want to discuss it with us, please don't keep trying to tell us we're wrong.

Cantgetright69

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dannyo'shea:
I would like to participate in this forum and am still trying to get my head round what I percieve as odd and arbitrary 'rules'.

It seems to come down to people here treating it as a 'game' whereas I treat it as a fantasy continuation of real life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. This is a fairly common problem in this forum. The LLM rules don't really spell out the fact that they are meant for someone playing the game as purely a computer game. Instead they talk about realism even though realism is not well defined.

This is a problem if you want to play the fantasy game "what if I was hired to coach &lt;insert favorite lower level team here&gt;" without player naming and tactics borrowing as you really do not have a home on any forum.

KingsbayYHPE

There's a huge problem here in the definition and use of the word "realism".

Marius obviously doesn't get it, neither does Danny, so let me explain.

The "Realism" we refer to is in playing the game as "realistically as the game allows".

This "realism" doesn't stretch into "real" life, it starts and finishes in LLM and allows us to formulate what a manager would "realistically" do in starting to manage an LL Team in FM.

It's like saying "I'm playing Hitman. I heard that bloke Paddy O'Irishbloke was a handy henchman during the Troubles, I'll get him to help me out"

Maybe Paddy was good IRL, but you can't get him in the game.

Is that a bit clearer?