retired_fabricodalacosta

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
This retaining players - I've running all English and Scottish Leagues, and have retained the non league teams that come with them. I didn't realise that there was anything wrong with that ? :confusedL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure I quite understand what you're saying, about retaining the non-league Teams.

Where the game becomes unbalanced is when you run, say, the UK and Ireland and retain players from a specific Nation outwith the British Isles (like kovalenkov's poofy Slovenians )

The game has a good balance of British and Irish players, and the other Nations of the World, and transfers are weighed to resemble real life.

When a Nation's players is retained then there's a surplus of Slovenians in the previously balanced game and you end up with a disproportionately (gasp!) large number of Slovenians playing in the UK and Ireland in Teams from the non-league to the Premiership.

Is that what you meant? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope ! The only nation's I have retained are England and Scotland - was just worried incase I'd bent the LLM rules. :o

retired_jmathias

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iajafer:
You're all poofs, as far as I heard...even the women <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can understand calling us poofs, but to pick on women...

retired_google

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kovalenkov:
Hey Ian, what have you got agains Slovenianas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One owes him a fiver.

retired_mekeesha

I'd like to join the gang that are perplexed about the retain players no-no thing.

Being a new feature its not covered by the traditional ethic so we have to apply common sense. To me that means if a country is within the SWYCT ambit it's okay to retain players. I've retained the home nations database as my scouts can nip along the motorway to Scotland or Wales. I wouldn't retain Slovenia or Fiji for instance. I don't see the unrealistic or imbalance here unless you mean when I reach the Premier League in 2050 there's a dearth of South Americans lining up against me and my scouts who now have air tickets can't find them. Is that the issue?

retired_sargent

As I see it, and I may be talking out of my arse here, the retain players doodah was designed to retain player from leagues that you were not playing.

Say you were an American but set up with the home leagues, but did not include the US league. You could retain US players and a constant stream of Yanks would appear in your game (as well as players from all the leagues you had running).

Thus you could become the manager of the US and you would still have players coming through in 20 years time. Without this you would have found that there were only about 20 or so US players left in the game.

The effect would be that there would be a distinct increase in the proportion of US footballers to those nationalities that are neither retained nor are of the leagues that you started with.

Retaining players from only the leagues you have selected will also skew the nationality issue by decreasing the chance of regenerating players of other nationalities.

retired_pmetzger1

Ultimately, if you choose to retain players nobody is going to stop you. But when you do it, be aware of the potential impact on your game.

retired_mekeesha

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ultimately, if you choose to retain players nobody is going to stop you. But when you do it, be aware of the potential impact on your game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course Mkus, but those of us posting on this forum presumably want to adhere sincerely to the LLaMa spirit so I'm asking for clarification as to whether retaining players from SWTCT countries fits that bill or not, and why

creative36

The problem with retaining players from SWYCT countries is that those countries are going to change over time - provided you're able to struggle up through the divisions.

Eventually, if you ended up at a team of ManUre dimensions, you could scout the whole world. Are you going to retain the entire database?

Just whack the 'HUGE' database option on and you should find enough players anyway.

retired_jmeshew

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by turnip:
The problem with retaining players from SWYCT countries is that those countries are going to change over time - provided you're able to struggle up through the divisions.

Eventually, if you ended up at a team of ManUre dimensions, you could scout the whole world. Are you going to retain the entire database?

Just whack the 'HUGE' database option on and you should find enough players anyway. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The issue realy just comes down to how fast your game runs. I tried the huge DB a couple of times with various amounts of leagues but it was just too slow. We all have our own judgments of what speed is acceptable of course, but I was finding with a huge database that processing times were exceeding 15 minutes sometimes.

What Big Geordie is talking about is retaining players from the leagues you have active with a large DB. What this does is stock all the non-league sides with players. To me this is crucial as an LLM player because you need a place to buy and sell players. PLaying Scots Div 3, for example, with no players in the non-league sides is brutal. Additionally, I found that without huge DB, or large +retain those clubs won't buy.

A Large DB still has enough world players to serve you fine if you manage to get up into the rare air, and the extra playes you got via the retain function are not going to unbalance the game at that level since large db retains more than enough high level players. The guys added to the Db via retain are by and large rubbish anyhow, particularly if you have advanced byond LLM.

That said, I agree that huge DB is the way to go if you can do it. It just seems that most of us, even the patient among us, don't have machines that can make a huge db a viable option.

Uknowmehfo

Tim:

Although my machine is rated as 'average' by FM, I still play some odd 24 divisions in 4 countries.

Let's say I'm a tad masochist (and that I love to read, pay attention to the missus, write, play with the kitten or whatever catches my attention while FM processes).