retired_matador_uk

One of the oldest and probably the most discussed since match engine arrived. Its not to counter so called super tactics, its simply that the game is goin to be a certain score and thats that! Reguardless of keeping ability, at whatever level, in any situation, reguardless of form or morale or anything that effects our players so harshly. I sypathise with SI about this, all you have to hav edone is play the fist 10mb patch and you will see how bad the game is without super keepers. Beating arsenal 6-2 in comm shield prompted me to get new one.

Having played the game a while witht the new patch i have been disgusted at times with some of the keeping displys ive seen due to them being way above that playes abilty. But i dont want score blowouts either. They must be struggling with this one a lot. Noboby is that dumb as to not be able to have fixed it by now. dotn expect the patch to fix it either.

retired_amy1987tuma

This has been happening for several versions of FM now for me.

If you play as a strong team, chances are, the opposition keeper will get very high ratings.
Most often than not, their performance makes you want to buy him until you see their stats.

I don't have too much of a problem with this, except that my keeper seems very ordinary in comparison.
When the keeper on the other team is pulling out saves after saves from all angles, I expect my keeper (VDS) to at least move when they shoot from 30 metres.

Most of the time, they keeps will be like superman on steroids while VDS is watching the clouds.
Suddenly I lose 1 - 0 despite have 30 shot attempts to their 1.

I don't have a solution, except perhaps stop treating AI's keepers and user's keepers differently.
Sometimes I think the "Big Match" effect is overdone for weak teams.
For them, it is a massive game and all their players are hyper. To my team, they think it's hardly worth it to move.
That's the only logical explanation I can think of to explain the super-keeper effect.

Well apart from the AI cheating.....

retired_jean-paul

Looks like it's not just me then!

I just don't understand. I was doing well and scoring goals, eg 4 away at Rosenborg then another 3 at home and then BAM, nothing at all. I too don't want silly scores but surely i should be able to score more than 1 goal in 6 games, in matches i've dominated. My stats for goals scored are well down on the other teams at the top. Man City for example have scored over 3 times as many goals as me yet when i played them at home (in a 0-0 draw) they ony had 1 shot all game while i had 20 and 12/13 on target.
Ridiculous.
I imagine if i get given a penalty i'll probably miss that too!!

retired_w0lfpack1

Spengler, think of it this way:

The game has code to replicate a goalkeeper "getting hot" on a certain day - like Kasey Keller against Brazil in 1996.

The way that code works is by giving the 'keeper a confidence boost when he makes a successful save, and dropping his confidence when he lets one in.

If your tactic is set up in such a way that your guys "pull the trigger" from anywhere, even on half-chances, rather than looking for one last killer pass .. that may be working to "trigger" this "hot goalkeeper" effect .. and once he's "hot" he's a lot more difficult to beat.

How do you keep that from happening?

You encourage your guys to look for one more killer pass, instead of taking the shot. Turn down the "Long Shots" for a start. For people who you notice are taking shots when you think they should have passed, you might want to reduce their Mentality a hair, turn up their Creativity and Try Through Balls, and consider whether their individual Passing setting is really what you want.

(For example, if you have Long passing set as the Team instruction, and no override on a striker's individual instructions, you've got him instructed to look for long passes.. which might make sense if he's come back into your half to collect, but rules out "pass" as an option if he's in the opposition area.)

retired_w0lfpack1

Put another way, you don't want to "gift" the opposition 'keeper with a couple easy saves in the first ten minutes.. because you risk making him "get hot" and become a lot more difficult to beat in the later stages of the game.

retired_Balanchinegal

That makes sense Amaroq :thup:

retired_kfreidel

Same ting happens to me mate. I'm at a loose end.

I'm liverpool too, I have at least 15-20 shots in most games and my players can't score good chances and in 7 of the last 10 premiership games i've had, the keeper has got Man of the Match.

I just don't know what else i can do. None of my players have long shots, for the players that matter, they have creative freedom, through balls etc, but still can't win convincingly, whereas the opposition has 1 or 2 chances where they either manage to get behind my defence and score (depsite me doing it to them 2 or 3 times a game) or where some shitbag scores a deflected freekick or a screamer from 30 yards!

Steveio

I'm stressed at how my gk rarely plays that well & will concede with only a few chances needed even when his ability is clearly miles better then that of the team playing against me & yet there gk always seems to play amazing against me even with poor stats, makes for alot of games where you draw/lose even when you're playing really well & dominating games.

retired_kfreidel

yup

retired_w0lfpack1

I didn't touch on that in my earlier message, but its somewhat the opposite problem.

The match engine also seems to punish a goalkeeper who doesn't "get involved in the match". In other words, because the action hasn't been in his half, his concentration and focus is likely to wander, and that means that the opposition are much more likely to score from few chances.

I'm not quite sure how to combat this - it would seem counterintuitive and risky to intentionally allow a couple of shots so that he "gets involved". I could imagine some success with, say, using "Closing Down Never" on an opposition midfielder with "Long Shots" of 4, to encourage the guy who isn't very good at long shots to try one - but I'm not going to do that myself!

Instead, the thing I've found is that I tend to focus on tremendously high Concentration as a litmus test for a goalkeeper on a "dominant" team, figuring that the high Concentration might enable him to "avert" the "wavering concentration" effect that allows the goal despite his clear talent. Also, low Eccentricity, good Anticipation, good Decisions, and simple experience all seem to contribute as well - the Mental side of goalkeeping rather than sheer ability.